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*Me too. But we've still got to cope with the mess in the figures somehow. We've now got identified casualties, reported casualties and missing probably killed - and people are already mixing up the unidentified but reported casualties with the figure for the missing under the rubble etc. And using the identified casualties to try and get a hold on the overall percentages is a guessing exercise because of strong differences in the recording of the deaths of men women and children compared to each other. There's been a number of obvious propaganda attempts to try and minimize the civilian deaths which is to be expected, however there has been one report by an expert which may have caused the Ministry to do this.<ref>https://aoav.org.uk/2024/analysis-of-new-death-data-from-gazas-health-ministry-reveals-several-concerns/</ref> I haven't the foggiest why he says in that 'Second, the announced total number of Gazans killed in the war, now exceeding 33,000, may seem plausible but it is not a documented fact' when that figure was for recorded deaths not total deaths and yes recorded deaths probably are a bit high because of duplicates. This then leads to 'Thus, we should dismiss the common claim that, because many of the dead are trapped under rubble or are missing for other reasons, the announced totals are undercounts.' You only get that if you mix up the missing with the ones recorded but not identified in the Health Ministry figures. You have to start saying the missing is exaggerated too and with 86,000 buildings totally destroyed I don't think so. [[User:NadVolum|NadVolum]] ([[User talk:NadVolum|talk]]) 09:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::::It seems often overlooked in comments here (speedreading), but, subtracting women and children from the total to ascertain how many men (people over 18 up to those classified as 'old' i.e. 64 and over) or male victims there are among the fatalities does not yield a figure for Hamas dead. It does only if one assumes the wild premise that all adult males are Hamas militants, which is of course nonsense, given that their estimated military combatant units range from 30-40,000, something markedly less than 10% of the overall male population (18-64 =627,000 from memory).[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)