Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents: Difference between revisions

::::::You mean adding underlining to SSSB's post isn't such a suggestion? '''[[User:5225C|5225_C]]''' ([[User_talk:5225C|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/5225C|contributions]]) 05:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:::::::I thought Shirt58 was suggesting that the solution was for Island92 to use they rather than he. However it seems their underlining was probably an emphasis that SSSB should have stuck with they rather than using he once, now acknowledged and due to a typo. Regardless, my main point remains. It seems clear Shirt58 wasn't objecting to the use of their etc. They were supporting it and emphasising '''all''' editors need to stick with it and not use he even once. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 05:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

::::I used "he" once (where I struck it out). Everother instance used they or their some of which were later underlined by Shirt58. This was not an assumption, it was a typo being auto-corrected. My assumption right now would be to use "she" (balance of propabilites, only a small minority use pronouns of "they/them"). I agree with everything else you're saying - I tried to explain to Wiki wikied that if they objected to the pronouns someone used to describe them to take it up with the offending editor (and by all means consider it a personal attack if they refuse to acknowlegde your obejction to pronoun usage). But however controversial it may be, "he" is and can be used where gender is unspecified, and people do still make mistakes where gender is specified. People make typos, and in 6 months I may forget Wiki wikied's pronouns and default to "he" in a case of unspecified gender (linguistically acceptable even if contorversial). But to flat-out remove the comment is not appropriate or helpful and if we can't edit comments to correct grammar we shouldn't correct them for pronouns either? [[User:SSSB|SSSB]] ([[User talk:SSSB|talk]]) 03:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:::::If you can't remember preferred pronouns I strongly suggest you stop using he by default. If you refer to Wiki wikied ever again in a situation where it is not a typo, I'd support an indefinite block of you. And if you made a typo which resulted in incorrect pronoun usage, then even more reason for Shirt58 to object. The correct response is to apologise for your offensive typo and not claim it doesn't matter because it was simply a typo. The fact you did not set out to offend, doesn't change the offence caused by your actions. As I said below, this whole war is made even more silly by the fact the comment itself was a fairly pointless comment which doesn't even belong on the article talk page. So regardless of the poor way Wiki wikied handled this, I think it's a reasonable question to ask whether there's any real advantage to bringing this to ANI, and then make an offensive typo while doing do. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 05:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:Just a note that I had warned with {{tl|uw-tpv1}} [[special:diff/1225347318|here]] for edit #1 (which had no edit summary about pronoun use) before those three warnings, so there were technically four warnings. [[User:ObserveOwl|ObserveOwl]] ([[User talk:ObserveOwl#top|chit-chat]] • [[Special:Contributions/ObserveOwl|my doings]]) 01:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:Putting aside the pronoun issue, IMO the dispute is fairly silly since the actual comment being warred over doesn't really belong to the talk page. If Island92 wants to warn another editor they're free to do so themselves. But they should be doing so on the editor's talk page not the article talk page. Then the editor warned would be free to remove the comment without issue. The talk page should be used for discussing the changes rather than warning others. I still don't think Wiki wikied should have removed it like that especially without a decent explanation, but the fact remains if we step back the whole dispute is IMO very silly. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 05:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

::I agree, it's petty and unproductive. However, Wiki wikied is still acting disruptively, and their editing activity since April (which has only been reverting the comment in question and removing warnings from their own talk page) suggests that this disruption could actually be deliberate. A warning that this disruption will not be tolerated, and that a block may follow if their activity continues to be purely disruptive in nature, is an appropriate response to resolve this. '''[[User:5225C|5225_C]]''' ([[User_talk:5225C|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/5225C|contributions]]) 05:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:::Then give such a warning. My point is that ultimately anyone involved was always free to do so so there's no reason this needs to be at ANI. ANI is for serious issues not those that can be resolved by someone recognising that even if the reasoning was poor, in the end there is no harm to removing that comment since it's something that simply didn't belong on the talk page so they could simply warn everyone who needed it not to repeat that shit again. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 06:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

 

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