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Revision as of 23:18, 3 December 2014 edit A876 (talk \| contribs) Extended confirmed users 9,862 edits m →‎Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2014 (Spacing before the first navbox): touch-up ← Previous edit		Revision as of 23:32, 3 December 2014 edit undo A876 (talk \| contribs) Extended confirmed users 9,862 edits →‎Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2014 (Spacing before the first navbox): deleted irrelevant reply and side-topic that prompted it. touch-up. treat as a NEW request. Next edit →
Line 317: ::{{ping\|Redrose64}} Sorry about that. I've fixed the problem that caused it. By the way, null edits won't be needed for this, since the problem doesn't affect any of the links tables. They'll all re-render without the bad navbars shortly on their own. [[User:Jackmcbarn\|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn\|talk]]) 15:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC) == Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2014 (Spacing before the first navbox) == {{edit template-protected\|Template:Navbox with collapsible groups\|answered=no}} Someone (not me) noticed that the space between "External links" and the first navbox on any article page is way too tight. So they ~~tried adding~~added a blank line to increase the spacing. (ItExtra ~~worked,~~blank ~~though~~lines Icount, ~~always~~even ~~thought it should not work because~~though extra ~~white~~spaces ~~space is~~do not ~~supposed to count~~.) It worked, so they left a comment asking us not to remove the (normally pointless and/or incorrect) ''extra'' blank line. I humored the request by expanding it into a full explanation of the problem, ~~and~~with possible solutions. Obviously it would be best to fix all affected pages with one edit at the highest level, ~~and~~rather ~~not~~than have random edits ~~on article pages trying to~~that correct or improve the formatting one page at a time, on thousands of article pages, depending on who notices it. Quoting the ~~current~~ comments from the page "[[Desvenlafaxine]]": :< - - The extra blank line here is spacing. Please do not remove it. :(Compare and see. Without the extra space here, "External links" is jammed up against the Antidepressants navbox.) ~~:Extra spacing in the mark-up SHOULD NOT be able to cause extra spacing in the document view (it is just white space).~~ ~~:But it DOES add space, so let's leave it in for now.~~ :This same spacing problem affects EVERY PAGE THAT HAS A NAVBOX! :Therefore this problem should not be fixed in the page markup; it should be fixed in the MediaWiki code that assembles pages. Line 330 ⟶ 327: :(A third choice: it could maybe be fixed by editing EVERY navbox template (5,000?), which is silly, but still way better then editing every page that has a navbox (800,000?). - - > It seems reasonable to fix. I it hard to fix? [[User:A876\|A876]] ([[User talk:A876\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC) ~~(The comment I was adding~~:) Each ==section== seems to induce a small additional space before itself on the rendered page. Somehow the final collection of navboxes does not get the same spacing-before ~~that each ==section== gets~~, though it seems pretty ~~sure~~evident that it should. The extra blank line in the mark-up might be putting in too much vertical spacing; slightly less might be ideal; I think the automatic ==section== spacing is closer to ideal. I think this proposal is uncontroversial: Few people notice the problem, but everyone can perceive the difference once it is pointed out to them. Many might say that the change wouldn't matter at all, but people who think it matters would surely agree with the proposed change; anyone opposing this change would be quite rare. It regularizes things (makes things more consistent to fewer rules), a holy grail for many. [[User:A876\|A876]] ([[User talk:A876\|talk]]) 23:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)▼ :[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg\|20px\|link=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> The comment is wrong. Some extra spacing is indeed supposed to count (specifically, multiple consecutive blank lines). [[User:Jackmcbarn\|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn\|talk]]) 23:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC) ~~Your denial here is IRRELEVANT because you DID NOT EVEN READ the request. How does that help anyone?~~ ~~Requesting help from someone, ANYONE who knows what is requested before deciding.~~ ▲(The comment I was adding:) Each ==section== seems to induce a small additional space before itself on the rendered page. Somehow the final collection of navboxes does not get the same spacing-before that each ==section== gets, though it seems pretty sure that it should. The extra blank line might be putting in too much vertical spacing; slightly less might be ideal; I think the automatic ==section== spacing is closer to ideal. I think this proposal is uncontroversial: Few people notice the problem, but everyone can perceive the difference once it is pointed out to them. Many might say that the change wouldn't matter at all, but people who think it matters would surely agree with the proposed change; anyone opposing this change would be quite rare. It regularizes things (makes things more consistent to fewer rules), a holy grail for many. [[User:A876\|A876]] ([[User talk:A876\|talk]]) 23:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)