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  • Merge with Template:Infobox Chinese
    1.5 years later I've taken another look. The merger itself doesn't look toooo bad but I'm really not a fan of adding "Infobox Chinese" to tons of articles not related to China in the slightest. The 2019 RM didn't go too well though and it's perhaps best to try to at least partially take a look at the (imo not so relevant) things cited as issues in the RM. These are adding support for some other major languages which is currently partially or completely missing (Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu if I'm not mistaken, Greek and probably a few more). The ordering support is also somewhat lacking which would be a pain to fix if it wasn't a module. I'm not particularly trilled about taking it on but I'm not a fan of having this ancient merger around indefinitely either. Trappist the monk you seem like the obvious person to ask since you both developed the module and is the language guru, but it's completely understandable to not want to touch this. --Trialpears (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If I remember correctly, I wrote Module:Infobox multi-lingual name to consolidate multiple various templates (with all of their unique peculiarities) into a single source. Then I wrote a long long document describing the things that should be done to make the whole mess more sensible. Alas, I lost that document as the result of a catastrophic computer failure which was perhaps serendipitous because of the drama the would inevitably arise – you know how wikipedians hate hate hate change because oh my god the sky is falling. In retrospect, I came to realize that the better solution is to restart as a fresh design beginning with a whole new specification. If the fresh design is any good it can organically take over from existing infoboxen without drama. I have done nothing to advance that because, as you can see, it appears that wikipedians are more-or-less happy with the crap template that I wrote. And, it appears, that wikipedians couldn't give two hoots about merging the two infoboxen because nigh on four years since the tfds and here the merge lingers... Better to declare the merger dead and get on with life?
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Regarding the name - keep in mind we can create any number of useful redirects if adding "...Chinese" to something that isn't is a problem. That being said, if it gets built into a location-neutral module, it would make so much sense to rename the main template (wink wink). Primefac (talk) 13:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a mess right now but I think the problem isn't that people don't care but that there are very few people who feel confident enough with both the lua and the languages to take it on and the few who do either don't want to get involved in the drama side or are simply busy elsewhere. I think I may deal with it after I've finished the mergers I've started but then there won't be any huge improvements to the module but rather just what's required for the merger. No matter what a second RM is coming. --Trialpears (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The primary purpose of this board is to implement the merger. If there are improvements made along the way that's great, but they're not a requirement and (not that this is the case for this merge) shouldn't hold up a merge. Primefac (talk) 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That the merge hasn't completed in 4 years surely means that it's reasonable to consider whether or not the original merge is still relevant. If we do continue with a merger, it seems perfectly reasonable to change the target to be called something like Template:Infobox multi-lingual name, using Module:Infobox multi-lingual name, rather than using the name of a language that isn't pertinent to many (most?) transclusions — the first page of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_name_module shows me some Chinese but also a bunch of Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian films. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @OwenBlacker: I tried renaming at Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019. More likely than not I will get to this during the summer so at least it shouldn't get to five years. I don't really see much that would have changed people opinions on this template. Not much has actually happened on this front. --Trialpears (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Trialpears I hope that this gets done soon. ;) Techie3 (talk) 00:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Techie3 There's actually been some significant progress since my comment above, most significantly that {{Infobox East Asian name}} actually got done and a lot of the template work needed for a proper merge was done including some upgrades to {{Infobox Chinese}}. It still remains some features that need fixing before a full merge is possible though and I'm not excited about doing that work. I can probably get a list of things that need doing if someone is interested in some annoying module work though and can deal with the template replacements afterwards. --Trialpears (talk) 12:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Old_move2020 November 28 – Old_move ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
  • 2020 November 28 – Old_moves ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
    Module version created. More information at Template talk:Old move#Module and merger. --Trialpears (talk) 19:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • 2020 October 22 – Loc ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
    This one has 572 that match insource:/\{\{loc\}\}/, with no template parameters. Those seem like a straightforward conversion to {{Country study}}. Then the remaining 110ish templates with parameters could be cleaned up separately. Could probably get AWB in bot mode to do the 572. Does that sound like a good idea? Should I try to get a bot flag to help with that? –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I can get it, just never had the time or inclination to pick apart the various uses. I've set up a tracking category to find the non-parameter uses, so once that populates I should be able to knock it out fairly quick. Primefac (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I worked a bit on this a while ago, probably going a bit beyond what is strictly necessary when filling in parameters. It's worth noting that (countarary to the docs) that Kazakhstan and many other countries don't have their own country studies but are combined to something like Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan or Indian Ocean : five island countries. Also worth noting that these were made between 1988 and 2015 meaning that you may have weird situations with both the Soviet Union and Russia having country studies and there being plenty of other former countries to consider. I've also seen quite a few already broken links. My point being that care should be taken to make sure the links are correct and point to the intended target. --Trialpears (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I recommend using standard {{cite encyclopedia}} citations and converting these to footnotes (rather than generic endnotes) as we go. I have pre-made encyclopedia citations for all country studies, plus a page with comparisons using Earwig to the relevant country studies here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies/Reference fixing. Example edit here. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This one's been sitting here for a year and a half at this point. I started today by replacing the blank ones which had no other supplementary information on the page. Several had a supplementary URL, often sitting just outside the template, others being used as references in the rest of the page (example next to, example of elsewhere). --Izno (talk) 06:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Malaysian_party_colour2022 January 6 – Malaysian_party_colour ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
    • Both of the above need to have their entries added to the module. Hopefully this can be semi-automated by the same process that was used with the /meta templates. --Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Probably not, as these uses (see for example 2005_Pengkalan_Pasir_by-election#Election_results) call an acronym which then triggers the colour to be returned. Each acronym will need to be paired up with the related party, added to the module, and then swapped in the related articles to use (hopefully something other than) {{Malaysian election result}} with the newer values. I haven't looked into it enough to know how much can be automated, but "not much" is my initial read of it. Primefac (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Template:Malaysian party colour/name/default and Template:Malaysian party colour/colour/default/sandbox updated and ready. The only party names I left as is were the ones I couldn't find an en.wiki article to confirm spelling, etc. But if others feel differently feel free to add them. The party color should be synced when everything is ready for a bot to help as the calling templates have a "#" in them and Module:Political party also sends them with it. Gonnym (talk) 21:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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