Template talk:Harvard citation with colon text
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Given the commonality in markup for the author-date templates, I have developed a meta-template at {{Harvard citation/core}}. See Template talk:Sfn#Core update. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:46, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The current (2012-06-25) template has
|BracketYearLeft=( |BracketRight=)
Surely that should be BracketYearRight! Right now the template looks like this: Best & Strange (1992). Notice the lack of linkification on the closing parenthesis. --Quuxplusone (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
{{harvcoltxt|Best|Strange|1992|p=123}}
→ Best & Strange (1992:123) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFBestStrange1992 (help)[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange (1992]]<nowiki>:</nowiki>
123)
IMO, this would look much better to have the link either include the page number (and the closing paren) or exclude the year (and the opening paren). Thus, either "Smith (2005, p. 25)" or "Smith (2005, p. 25)". Since apparently there are sometimes additional links placed in the page number, the latter would be the way to go. But the former might also be an option (when there are known to be no links in the page number, such as when there is no page number). —Toby Bartels (talk) 10:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I would not expect the GA standards to be any higher. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]consistently formatted inline citations using either footnotes (<ref>Smith 2007, p. 1.</ref>) or Harvard referencing (Smith 2007, p. 1)—see citing sources for suggestions on formatting references; for articles with footnotes, the meta:cite format is recommended. The use of citation templates is not required.
[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange (1992)]]:123
→ Best & Strange (1992):123[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange <span style="color:black;">(</span>1992]]:123)
→ Best & Strange (1992:123)[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange (1992]]:123<span style="color:#0645ad;">)</span>
→ Best & Strange (1992:123)[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange]] (1992:123)
→ Best & Strange (1992:123) Modified! 20:09, 7 November 2013 (UTC) [[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange]] (1992):123
→ Best & Strange (1992):123[[#CITEREFBestStrange1994|Best & Strange]] (1994):456
→ Best & Strange (1994):456[[#CITEREFBestStrange1992|Best & Strange (1992)]]:123
→ Best & Strange (1992):123[[#CITEREFBestStrange1994|Best & Strange (1994)]]:456
→ Best & Strange (1994):456Ping! This still hasn't been resolved. It looks very odd and needs to be corrected one way or another. As I see it, there are three possible solutions while keeping the page number within the parentheses:
It seems that #1 has support, #2 hasn't been mentioned (although I might prefer it since it links to the reference rather than an article about the authors as one might expect, but I'm not an expert on the Harvard referencing system(, and #3 has some objections on the basis that the page number shouldn't be linked.
Whatever the case, could someone please do something to fix this ongoing issue? Thanks! —sroc 💬 09:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, linking the year only would be consistent with {{Harvard citations}}. —sroc 💬 09:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I love this template, but the name is really terrible. Would it be possible to rename it to something better than Harvcoltxt? - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 15:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Markup | Renders as |
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The sky is blue {{harv|Smith|2005|p=25}} | The sky is blue (Smith 2005, p. 25) |
The sky is blue {{harvcol|Smith|2005|p=25}} | The sky is blue (Smith 2005:25) |
The sky is blue, according to {{harvtxt|Smith|2005|p=25}} | The sky is blue, according to Smith (2005, p. 25) |
The sky is blue, according to {{harvcoltxt|Smith|2005|p=25}} | The sky is blue, according to Smith (2005:25) |
{{harv}}
Harvard; {{harvcol}}
Harvard with colon; {{harvtxt}}
Harvard in-text; {{harvcoltxt}}
Harvard with colon in-text. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]Please see Module_talk:Footnotes#consolidating_and_abandoning_Template:Harvard_citation/core.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the discussion at Module talk:Footnotes § broken harv link reporting where a broken harv-link reporting scheme is proposed.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The template seems to primarily cite authors by their family surnames in Western name order. But what if this is not always appropriate, or even possible? For example, take Icelandic names. For Eiríkur Rögnvaldsson, the last name Rögnvaldsson is not a surname, but a patronymic, and it is more appropriate to refer to him primarily as Eiríkur. There are also authors who may have only one name, which is common in countries like Indonesia, and they won't even have a surname. Or people where, even in English, the surname comes first before the given name, as in most Chinese names, Korean names and Vietnamese names. In these cases, how do you use this template to cite a name such that names appear in the correct ordering, and the appropriate primary name (when not the surname) is to be given? The instructions seem silent about that. - Gilgamesh (talk) 00:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
{{harvcoltxt|Eiríkur|2021}}
→ Eiríkur (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFEiríkur2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Rögnvaldsson|2021}}
→ Rögnvaldsson (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFRögnvaldsson2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Eiríkur Rögnvaldsson|2021}}
→ Eiríkur Rögnvaldsson (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFEiríkur_Rögnvaldsson2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Ai|2021}}
→ Ai (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFAi2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Ai Weiwei|2021}}
→ Ai Weiwei (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFAi_Weiwei2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Smith|2021}}
→ Smith (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFSmith2021 (help){{harvcoltxt|Bob Smith|2021}}
→ Bob Smith (2021) harvcoltxt error: no target: CITEREFBob_Smith2021 (help)|lastn=
or |authorn=
as the name(s). If that doesn't work (because Ai Weiwei – |last=Ai
|first=Weiwei
– will render as Ai, Weiwei) then write |author=Ai Weiwei
and |ref={{sfnref|Ai|2021}}
and then use {{harvcoltxt|Ai|2021}}
.Is there a way to use this template if the publication year of the source is before 1 CE? I'm editing an existing article that uses this citation style, and I'd like to use this template to cite Euclid's Elements which was published c. 300 BCE. The following don't work:
{{harvcoltxt|Euclid|300 BCE|loc=XIII.18}}
(Treats "300 BCE" as an author){{harvcoltxt|Euclid|year=300 BCE|loc=XIII.18}}
(Ignores the parameter)Is there a way I am supposed to do this? AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 17:27, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join the discussion at Module talk:Footnotes § loc, at. Rjjiii (talk) 02:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]