Talk:Juan José Ibarretxe
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a lot of the basque people think Ibarreche doesn´t represent better form basque country because of his plan of independence from spain that is giving morao force ETA terrotists, and try to exclude half of the basque population.
That is not true Ibarretxe is our president. The president of all basque people in the Basque Autonomous Community and Navarre
GORA IBARRETXE
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In this edit [1] the "nationality" parameter of the infobox was deleted and the nationality in the header was modified.
In Spain the nationality is Spanish, there is no other possibility. The jurisprudence of the Constitutional Court of Spain determines that the concept of nation and nationality are not synonymous, declaring that the Constitution of Spain only admits one nation, which is the Spanish Nation. Therefore, the correct thing to do is to refer to any person from Spain as Spanish.
"El TC subraya que «la Constitución no conoce otra Nación que la española» TC: Constitutional Court of Spain
"Nación, sólo la española
Sobre el término nación, el texto del Constitucional dice: «De la nación puede, en efecto, hablarse como una realidad cultural, histórica, lingüística, sociológica y hasta religiosa. Pero la nación que aquí importa es única y exclusivamente la nación en sentido jurídico-constitucional. Y en ese específico sentido la Constitución no conoce otra que la Nación española».
De todas formas, el TC admite que Cataluña tenga «símbolos nacionales», pero explica que se refieren únicamente a «su condición de símbolos de una nacionalidad constituida como Comunidad Autónoma en ejercicio del derecho que reconoce y garantiza el art. 2 (...). Se trata, en suma, de los símbolos propios de una nacionalidad, sin pretensión, por ello, de competencia o contradicción con los símbolos de la Nación española»."
See also Sentencia del Tribunal Constitucional sobre el Estatuto de Autonomía de Cataluña de 2006
Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Context clearly states that the country of which the subject of the biography is a citizen should be used, not others.
Also, the Basque Country is officially the Basque Autonomous Community. See Basque Country (autonomous community).--BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 15:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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First of all, I am detecting here one-purpose editing which I do not like. Editors that have done nothing to do with with these articles and are eager to come push an extremely controversial national identity, one the person in question would not accept, and just directly projecting political events and tensions in present-day Spain to the WP. Definitely, it speaks volumes by itself, I am not saying anything more. |
Also this very question is being discussed in Talk:Carles Puigdemont#Nationality. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Something you did not here, but anyways... that is your style. |
Iñaki LL (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, you have come to revert my edit, controversially so, since removal of nationality is a matter of contention. Still I do not know what your relation is with that article. It is a topic a I have worked on, but it looks as if you are following my steps, isn´t that right? Regards
— Iñaki LL (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I am not; like you have shown in one of your edits], I currently have in my watchlist around 40 articles of Spanish biographies that were subject to POV pushing by a sockpuppet that also edit warred in the main topic I edit in, Venezuela. Federico Krutwig is among them, but Jorge Oteiza is not. Now, I personally don't disagree with including both terms, the sockpuppet actually deleted or replaced "Spanish" and I was the editor that added both words trying to balance the introduction, but many of the articles said "Spanish" originally and since BallenaBlanca provided arguments to back up the original version I commented about the articles on their talk page. I think your distinction between nationality and citizenship is important and I recently added this field in the infobox hoping that it helps to reach a consensus. In any case, it is a discussion I really would prefer not to get involved into and I only look for keeping a stable version. Cheers.
— Jamez42 (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Jamez42 for your reply. I will go through the edits. Not about you, but editing on national matters is always sensitive, especially if it is an article another editor has worked on. Someone is altering automatically definitions of articles, without nuance and with a lot of self-entitlement, and frankly it is raising red flags.
— Iñaki LL (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
No worries, thank you for writing to me directly. I totally understand your concern, I'd only suggest to continue looking for a common ground. If you feel that the issue is going too far, I'd recommend to seek dispute resolution. Let me know if I can help with anything else.
— Jamez42 (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Just for the sake of the discussion, I think it is important that I copy these messages from my talk page. Diffs were deleted since they didn't let the quotes be displayed. --Jamez42 (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the king of Spain is not part of the institutional, structural make-up of the autonomous community, despite them being part of the Spanish state, obviously so. See also here for one, etc. Please do stop edit warring and bring your concerns here. Thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 07:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]