Talk:Paul Draper (musician)
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This article is being constantly vandalised by one individual. I understand that Wikipedia is free for anybody to edit , but to remove huge chunks of cited information seems unfair because a user thinks it’s ‘rubbish’ and ‘irrelevant’. The user does not contribute anything useful to the article and seems to have joined recently only to destroy hours of researched fact . Smelly.Spaniel (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hoping a bot or someone will pick up this talk . User : Popscenealrightt contributes nothing to this page except editing out large chunks of text for no reason. This user has already had a warning for doing the same thing to another page . —- Smelly.Spaniel (talk) 03:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not wish to be involved in an edit war and certainly do not want to violate any Wikipedia rules. I do try to write a balanced article but if my views seem bias and ‘fandom’ styled , I will endeavour to correct this. I would appreciate another previously named User who has a COI to edit objectively and/or contribute to the article instead of seemingly destructive mass deletion. Smelly.Spaniel (talk)
Sorry I have not seen the question ? Smelly.Spaniel (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not meant to advertise. I have an interest in the subject , that why I write about them . Who doesn’t do an article on someone/ something that interests them? Smelly.Spaniel (talk) 05:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Editor "Robskarin" has removed a large section of the article that is fully referenced - they also regularly edit other artists that they manage in a professional capacity. The user is Rob Skarin, who currently manages Paul Draper (see https://crystalspotlight.com/about/) and is obviously wanting to remove anything that could be considered negative, despite the detail being perfectly relevant.
Sosogrey (talk) 12:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed the following:
In 2016, an online interview with Paul Draper was removed from the Backseat Mafia website, after he made numerous unsubstantiated allegations against former bandmate Dominic Chad. The website issues an apology to Chad, stating that "on February 1st we published an article which contained several unsubstantiated assertions about former Mansun guitarist Dominic Chad. We would like to unreservedly apologise for the upset which the article may have caused Mr Chad and his family for the short period it was online. We are all embarrassed and upset by the whole affair, and we must offer our heartfelt thanks to Dominic Chad for his understanding, reason and his kind acceptance of our apologies".[1]
The Backseat Mafia source does not mention Draper by name. Accordingly, I don't see any way to connect him to the incident. In the absence of further sourcing, I've removed this text from the article. —C.Fred (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also removed:
Journalist Dom Gourlay, who writes for several publications including Drowned in Sound but was covering the show for Gigwise, was branded a "Natzi" (sic) by Draper.[2]
The offending tweet came from an unverified account showing the name Mansun Official. It's one thing if the tweet chain started with Draper's official account, but this falls outside of that. —C.Fred (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In 2017, the main support band Estrons pulled out of Draper's first solo tour after the first night at the Brudenell Social Club in Leeds, with their frontwoman Tali Källström stating that she "woke up yesterday to a public tweet from Paul and inappropriate messages to my band's Facebook page which made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. Me and him have never even had a conversation. In reading these messages, his intentions became very clear. Knowing this I felt it was impossible to continue the tour dates with him comfortably".[3]
I reread WP:ABOUTSELF. "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves…so long as…it does not involve claims about third parties…" And here's the rub: Källström's statement about Draper is a claim about a third party. Now, if an independent source had written a news story about the incident, we could cite that. However, a Google search turned up nothing, so I'm going to err on the side of caution and remove it. —C.Fred (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia considers the Daily Mail to be an inappropriate reference source. The referenced article is based on a Daily Mail article and quoting from an unreliable article is highly problematic in terms of the article's impartiality and neutrality.https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/en/Daily_MailUK alfa (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]