Talk:Wilderness hut
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"Autiotupa" is a term and not a name. Is there an English translation for the title, then? JIP | Talk 13:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"As such, the tradition is almost solely found in Finland, and to some extent in Sweden and Norway, too." I don't know how you define 'hut' exactly, but there are very similar wilderness cabins that operate under very similar rules in many European mountain ranges (eg Romania). Where does this claim come from?--Zambaccian 21:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We also have essentially the exact same thing in New Zealand.--horus
And in France too. Nice little article - needs a re-write for grammar though --Gavinio 23:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I tried not to change things too much, though. Incidentally, we have a similar system in the Highlands of Scotland.--Zhengfu 01:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Wilderness hut and Backcountry hut are prime candidates for merging - the only real difference at the moment is what countries they focus on --Ozhiker (talk) 10:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Above, there is a clear consensus for merging Backcountry hut and Wilderness hut. How about merging Bothy into here, too? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mountain hut short article about huts focused on mountaineering
Climbing hut currently redirected to Mountain hut
Wilderness hut currently only about Scandinavian huts
Backcountry hut currently only about New Zealand and USA
Alpine hut currently redirected to Mountain hut
Refuge
Bothy currently split between wilderness bothy and unrelated estate bothy
basic shelters with bare sleeping platform
furniture
tank water
food prep areas
heaters/stoves (eg most mountain huts)
mattresses (eg NZ)
cookers/gas (eg Milford Track)
staff (eg Great walks huts in NZ)
store (eg some huts on Torres del Paine circuit)
restaurant (eg huts in Jotunheimen National Park)
hotel like rooms (eg huts in Jotunheimen National Park)
New year, new year's merge resolution, hopefully. It's logical to have only one article for Mountain hut, Backcountry hut, Alpine hut and Wilderness hut, since there are only minimal differences between the four, and any can be easily explained in the one article (eg "alpine hut refers to a hut specifically in an alpine area"). Where should the main article go? It should probably go in Wilderness hut, since that is the most general term. It can encompass simple refuges in remote areas of any terrain type, while "mountain", "alpine" and "backcountry" all refer to specific terrains. That said, I'd also support a merge of all "mountainous areas" articles to Mountain hut.
There was also some opposition to merging country-specific articles, such as Bothy. We had a similar discussion at Talk:Wildfire#Merge from Bushfire, about merging the Australia-specific Bushfire article. A consensus emerged to rename Bushfire Bushfires in Australia, and include a link back to the main article on non-urban fires, Wildfire. This could work here too, with an article Bothies in Scotland, including a more information link to Wilderness hut (or whichever). Thoughts? Let's resolve this. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 10:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I merged backcountry hut into wilderness hut. I chose wilderness hut over backcountry hut as it seems to be the more common term.
The mountain or alpine huts appear to be different enough to warrant their own article; besides being in the mountains, in general they seem to be larger and have more services and can even be staffed. I have been in areas where there are both types.
Bothy appears to be more of an architectural form that can be used as a wilderness hut--other examples would be a lean-to, A-frame, log cabin, etc. Some of the bothy article should be merged here as well but I'll leave that for others with more knowledge about that topic.
HiMyNameIsFrancesca (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yngvadottir - This IP started the whole exchange by telling me to GROW UP: Really? What a good way to start a discussion, You provocative and annoying person GROW UP??? Is it in their general right to behave and discuss thing like this to? Preaching about policy - well, how about start with the five pillars of Wikipedia?
Editors should treat each other with respect and civility: Respect your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. WP:POLITE? What exactly did they expect after treating people like this from the other editor? IP doesn't want to listen to any arguments, the only thing is happening as soon I leave a message, in ten seconds - IP just goes and removes it. I don't know what kind of interaction you had with Yngvadottir, but she could explain to you that this is not the way to act. When you start reverting people you SHOULD DISCUSS things with them and not remove each and every post non-stop like a machine.
Yes it is valid. It is part of the general information about the huts and it should be possible to mention it somehow. And IP removed a very good picture too, one of the best one in the article, with no consideration for what is good for the article or not. I don't know if you edit any similar articles, but this similar articles have similar structures. For example Freedom to roam, Campsite - use here in Prior-appropriation water rights and so on. I don't like people simply removing things from an article in a brutal way, instead of trying to fix them. I have noticed this behavior everywhere on Wikipedia, and it is not for the encyclopedias best. This under, if I ever had a chance against multiple reverts, insults, total refusal to discuss anything (pluss removing valid edit war warnings -) it is perfectly acceptable to include, with references. There are rules the Metsähallitus has the written down and publish it.
In general, these huts are open for every passing by. They do not have regular maintenance schedules nor paid maintenance staff. Unofficial rules for use have arisen to ease the interaction of the visitors with each other.[1]
The huts are in general are equipped with some basic equipment, beds, fireplace, . Some areas are designated fuel stove only, because fuel stove for cooking can reduce the use of firewood. Some huts contain emergency food stores like canned food and bottled water, meant to consumed in emergency situations. Generally no running water is available in the huts, and often no WC exist, and general rule requires that toilet wastes should be buried away from the nearest watercourse or the hut. An unwritten rule say that if the firewood supply is used the visitors should replace it they are expected to leave the hut as they would like to find it. Detergents, toothpaste and soap, even biodegradable types that harm aquatic life are not recommended when alpine waterways are easily damaged. When leaving the hut, the visitors are generally expected to leave it clean and secure, with the fire out, and the doors and windows securely closed. Escaping fires can severely damage the environment. Rubbish should't be buried. Rubbish like cans, plastic bottles or broken glass is often dug out by native animals and may harm them. Trash should be disposed by taking it away for proper disposal. Rules can differ between Europe, Australia and USA.[2]And more references to come. Hafspajen (talk) 05:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
and was moving to the talk page - putting up a draft. And he reverts me again - HOW GREAT.Is this common sense, politeness, discussing and trying to reach a consensus? Yngvadottir - this is just sick. Hafspajen (talk) 07:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This subject is substantially identical to Bothy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - the two should probably be merged. Guy (Help!) 08:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The lede has: "Huts range from being basic and unmanned, without running water, to furnished and permanently attended", but the body of the article states, that "Unlike mountain huts, they do not have a permanent resident who tends to the building and sells food to mountaineers", though this refers specifically to German Biwakschachteln. Clarification is needed here. I have stayed in a Swiss hut that did not have a guardian but did have food (and beer) paid for on the honour system. Rwood128 (talk) 13:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please update the outdated link in *Laaksonen, Jouni. "Autiotuvat on-line" (in Finnish). Retrieved 2006-06-05. into *Laaksonen, Jouni. "Autiotuvat on-line" (in Finnish). Retrieved 2021-03-18.
This update has already been made on the corresponding Finnish page (https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/fi/Autiotupa). Jvp2010 (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]