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Italian Syrians

Italian Syrians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doms in Jordan

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This is should rather remain a redirect to Romani diaspora#Jordan or anything related as there's nothing exactly notable about "Doms in Jordan" obviously, because since the original redirect was removed there haven't been any establishment of WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. This is a weird one, where the sources make clear that that the subject passes GNG (four solid articles, including the Christian Science Monitor, specifically covering the situation of Doms in Jordan!), but the article (like Doms in Lebanon and Doms in Israel) being so short it feels like it should just be redirected to a bigger page. But in the spirit of WP:DINC, my !vote is to keep and expand/improve. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - this is too short to be a stand-alone article; the best solution would be to merge this with articles like Doms in Lebanon. If there isn't a new article, Dom people seems better than a redirect to Romani diaspora. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blood purity

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"Blood purity" does not occur as a term in any of the linked articles except Fictional universe of Harry Potter (the original intention of the page as first written), and Limpieza de sangre: other entries fail MOS:DABMENTION. If rewritten as an article it would require sources, which it currently doesn't have and so fails WP:V. An alternative to deletion may be to redirect to Fictional universe of Harry Potter with a hatnote to other use(s). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Applying the term "blood purity" to refer to blood quantum laws, half-caste status, etc., is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH, and it doesn't seem necessary to redirect this as a concept to the Fictional universe of Harry Potter page (where it appears the concept in the HP universe is called "purity of blood"?). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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• Keep. Wow, this is not a topic space I want to be much involved in. As I understand disambiguation policy, there are two burdens that need to be met. Fist, there need to be at least three valid dab topics (WP:TWODABS), and second, those target articles need to make use of the disambiguated term (WP:DABMENTION). That complicates AFD somewhat, because an article that should deal with a disambiguated topic but doesn't is an editorial issue for the target article rather than strictly a deletion issue for the disambiguation page... at least in my mind. Anyway. I don't think there's any real debate that Limpieza de sangre and Fictional universe of Harry Potter are both relevant target articles for this topic. Looking exclusively at peer reviewed journal content here, because hoo boy I do not want to do general searches on this, I think it's overwhelmingly clear that racial hygiene should also be a valid dab target,[1][2][3][4] although the article at current does not make use of this term. There's also quite a bit in the literature about parallel concepts in Japanese and Korean culture, although I don't honestly even know what the applicable extant article would be for that, if any. There is at least some scholarly use of the term in the context of the blood quantum laws[5][6] although I'll admit that's somewhat less common that its use in the German, Japanese, or Korean context. I didn't look into the Australian stuff. I've searched just about enough of this for one day. Lubal (talk) 15:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab Canadian identity

Arab Canadian identity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to the deletion of:

• Northwestern European Canadians
• Northwestern European Americans
• Northwestern European Australians
• Northwestern European people
• Eastern European people
• Eastern European identity
• East Asian identity

All written by the same user that have also been deleted for the same reasons, this similarly written article has the same problems. WP:SYNTH + WP:REFBOMBED issues where the article just references random articles with the phrase "Arab Canadian" or "Arab-Canadian (identity)" in it. NLeeuw (talk) 08:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: More than enough study of this cultural identity [7], [8] and multiple papers such as [9], [10]. This is also a book review on the subject [11]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Arab Canadians, which doesn't have a lot of prose; this content could improve the parent article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to Arab Canadians per above. Aldij (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - There are many sources on this identity. The article should be expanded, not deleted. Brat Forelli🦊 01:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Bengali sentiment

Anti-Bengali sentiment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The whole article is WP:OR and is making connection of any unfavorable event that occurred in or around West Bengal as discrimination against its people. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete WP:POVFORK of various articles. Orientls (talk) 12:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Too much WP:SYNTH and it is not a notable topic on its own. Agletarang (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep There are numerous sources in the article documenting the discriminations against Bengalis which makes this topic notable per WP:GNG. This article is even selected as one of the Level 5 Vital articles in English Wikipedia. Shubhrojeet (talk) 05:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• DELETE - such existence will incite communal hatred in Wikipedia. This kind of page shouldn't be allowed in Wikipedia. --Twinkle1990 (talk) 09:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Doesn't make sense, I don't remember we have rules like this in Wikipedia. We have many types of articles like this. For example, Anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan. Mehedi Abedin 12:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Discrimination happens against almost every social group but the topic has to be notable as well. Lorstaking (talk) 09:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and all unfavorable events that occurred in or around West Bengal as discrimination against its people.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: While this might be a clear Delete, I'm seeing too much opinion and not enough policy-based arguments about this article. Let's lower the temperature and consider how this article does or doesn't abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Just because discrimination happens against other groups isn't a good reason to delete this particular article. I also note that this AFD has been available for closure for other 13 hours and no admin has opted to close it which made me consider whether it needed more substantive discussion.
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• Keep I did a google scholar search for "anti-bengali discrimination india" and found a decent number of sources that seem to contribute to WP:GNG. I don't see a good reason to delete at this time.CarringtonMist (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Although there is an issue with original research, there is also a decent amount of directly-related sources. Definitely needs to be cleaned up though. Perhaps since the page has been renamed, expand its coverage to include anti-Bengali sentiment in Pakistan/Myanmar. 70.176.221.156 (talk) 01:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Not denying that there is discrimination. It is just that the topic is not notable enough for a stand-alone article. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Does not need a standalone article for this WP:SYNTH. Most of the content is only about the language-related issues and religiously motivated discrimination where the victim happened to be Bengali speaker. Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk) 01:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have just done a massive (~1hr) edit on the article, stripping it of extensive OR/SYNTH and a lottttt of off-topic/unencyclopedic content. Despite the massive removals, I feel a pretty solid article remains, one that I've hopefully stripped down to the most relevant content (and thoroughly marked remaining statements in need of sources). I'm a bit scared to venture into picking/defining RSes myself, as an overly cautious editor, but given the statements from others above that more sources DO seem to exist, I hope I've paved the way for this to be an easier "keep and improve" Chiselinccc (talk) 08:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I'd like to see opinions after Chiselinccc's massive clean-up job on this article.
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• Keep It is strange because although the title is Anti-Bengali sentiment, its content is mainly about Discrimination against Bengalis in India. I didn’t searches for sources about anti-Bengali sentiment in India. But I found many sources about Discrimination against Bengalis in Pakistan (pre-1971) and we can add Pakistan section that will make the article better. Even some sources say that in present Bengali people living in Karachi, Pakistan are facing discrimination. The title is "Anti-Bengali sentiment" so by adding the Pakistan part we can keep this article. Mehedi Abedin 12:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - there is a fair bit of well-sourced information, and Chiselinccc's definitely puts it in keep now. Brat Forelli🦊 00:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soho (tribe)

Soho (tribe) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Do we really need a standalone WP article on each and every tribe that exists on this planet? Fails WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 00:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is a tribe of the Sindhis in the southeastern region of Pakistan. You should avoid speed nominating multiple articles without hesitation and get yourself familiarized with South Asian caste related articles. Perhaps engage in a talk page discussion first with major contributors. It got international coverage for being the first tribe in Sindh to elect a woman as its head. I'd say for that alone it is notable. Sir Calculus (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Certainly enough in-depth coverage. Easily meets GNG. See 1 2 3 4 5. Clearfrienda ^💬 16:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shoro (tribe)

Shoro (tribe) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Do we really need a standalone WP article on each and every tribe that exists on this planet? Fails WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 00:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is a major tribe of the Sindh region of Pakistan. You should avoid speed nominating multiple articles without hesitation and get yourself familiarized with South Asian caste related articles. Perhaps engage in a talk page discussion first with major contributors. This tribe was involved in a rebellion against the Arghun Dynasty of Sindh. It is clearly relevant, at least for historical reasons. Sir Calculus (talk) 05:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned on your talk page, I do agree that this would have needed a broader preliminary discussion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. The article has adequate references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nomination any cited source does not show their notability.

Sameja (clan)

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Do we really need a standalone WP article on each and every tribe that exists on this planet? Fails WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 00:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is a major tribe of the Sindh region of Pakistan and they are a branch of a former ruling dynasty. You should avoid speed nominating multiple articles without hesitation and get yourself familiarized with South Asian caste related articles. Perhaps engage in a talk page discussion first with major contributors. The references provided are more than sufficient and reliable. Sir Calculus (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - I know nothing about this although I am confused about the content of the page. First Samma (tribe) is said to be a clan, then Sameja (clan) is said to be a clan and then on the page there are clans (or subclans?). It is unclear to me how many of the sources on the page are actually substantially discussing the topic. Second, there are wp pages in other languages for Samma (tribe) but none have one for Sameja (clan). It strikes me that unless someone can show a source which goes into depth then we should maybe follow the lead of the other WP language versions. JMWt (talk) 09:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nomin as clearly fails WP:GNG.2404:3100:1817:350F:1:0:B411:827F (talk)

Abro (tribe)

Abro (tribe) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Do we really need a standalone WP article on each and every tribe that exists on this planet? Fails WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 00:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is a major tribe of the Sindh region of Pakistan and they are a branch of a former ruling dynasty. You should avoid speed nominating multiple articles without hesitation and get yourself familiarized with South Asian caste related articles. Perhaps engage in a talk page discussion first with major contributors. Sir Calculus (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify and merge region wise all similar articles after RfC @ WT:PAK:

Though I would share main concern. I suppose it needs deeper collective thought. I do not see any WP:RFCBEFORE to have taken place at Talk:Abro (tribe) or rather better would have been at WT:PAK.

Idk if any similar articles were listed and deleted up til now but my suggestion is Draftify and merge region wise all similar articles after RfC @ WT:PAK. If no one is ready to work on the drafts then put in my user name space I shall try to promote for expansion in due course. Bookku (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Is it really possible to merge all region wise articles? There are many which may not be suitable for a single list-like descriptive article publishing. Jadeja, Kalhora, Soomro, Jokhio, Bhutto, Burfat are some examples. Sir Calculus (talk) 12:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well developed ones need not be merged. Even for region list may be long but it can be further divided tribal district wise because many tribes are likely to be concentrated in few districts only. May be you can have separate article for extinct tribes. End of the day AfD is would not be right venue to take a detail call but project notice board would be IMO. Bookku (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dewan people

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The source provided seems to be the only source about these people that provides any depth and even that is only tangential. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Disambiguate Since it's a name for two ethnic groups, both of which have articles, we can turn the page into a disambiguation page for both of the ethnic groups. EternalNub (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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