Talk:Medzhybizh
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Before we start another revert war, here is one source that specifically uses Sieniawski: Google print link. Plus, the whole family, which provided many Commonwealth hetmans, is frequently referred to by the Polish spelling in books listed on Google Print.
If you want to "depolonize" the spelling, please provide English-language sources that would justify this.
Finally, if you really think the Polish form should not be used, then consider moving the whole Mikołaj Sieniawski article, and discuss things on that talk page. Balcer 14:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A long-simmering editorial dispute between Klezmer (talk · contribs) and ChosidFrumBirth (talk · contribs) over how to deal with information about certain Hasidic topics has reached the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. Please see and provide any helpful input at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty). Thank you, IZAK 16:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The last time I visited Medzhibozh, I was told that the stone fortress-like synagogue was that of R. Sirkes. To me it looked very old, which would match. To claim it is the Apter Rebbe's shul (which would be not that old in the scheme of things in Ukraine), we need a citation. That's news to me and other references (c.f. Chapin & Weinstock, p. 133).--Klezmer (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also I ran across the reference to the Bick's synagogue in the Wiki article Rapoport-Bick (rabbinic dynasty) that does NOT support the premise that this was the Apter Rebbe's shul. I'll give you guys a couple of weeks to come up with a valid citation to prove your point, otherwise I will revert it back to the way it was (which apparently is well-supported).--Klezmer (talk) 16:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here it's listed as Międzybórz, Międzyborz or Międzybóż. The Polish Wikipedia has it as Międzybuż or Międzyboż. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.150.112 (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some of your queries can be explained by a knowledge of the languages. In early slavic languages vowel use was yet distinctly formulated. It is the use of vowels which is one of the main distinction between Polish, Ukrainian, and Russian. i.e.The word milk:
Pol: mleko, Ukr: moloko, Russ (pronounced malako) written moloko.
All have the mlk but the use of vowels is different.
In Ukrainian when a syllable is opened (i.e. it is a consonant followed by a vowel) it is voiced i.e. vo, when it is closed (consonant-vowel-consonant) it is transformed into an i. This is done to make the language smoother. Thus we have:Pol: Lwow, Ukr: Lviv, Russ: Lvov.
However, when we go to Lviv in Ukrainian it's v Lvo-vi, not Lvi-vi.
In the case of the river: in Ukrainian it is known as Boh (In Russian Bog, and in Polish also Bog). In the locative case the h/ ending - h changes to a zhe in Ukrainian, and g to a ge in Russian. Occasionally the o is pronounced midway between a o and an oo. (u).
Yuzhny is Russian, Bug is also a Russian pronunciation. In Ukrainian it is PivdennyjThe diacritical mark only means that the accent within the word falls on that syllable. The accentation in Polish and Ukrainian often fall on different syllables from each other. In texts for words that may not be well known by the reader or in encyclopedias these accents help to determine the pronunciation of the term.
What is interesting is that the Yiddish version reflects the manner in which the name of the town is pronounced by the local Ukrainian population. Bandurist (talk) 14:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The numbers for the population of the town are a bit screwed.
In 1571:
In 1648:
In 1678
In 1765
In 1897
In 1926
In 1942
In 2001
What stands out in these numbers, are the 5000 Jews massacred in 1648 out of a population of 12,000.
I don't think that the city had such a large population at that time, nor could it support a population of 12,000. IMHO the population is out by a factor or 10, and should be around 1200. This then makes the Jewish massacre numbersat the hands of the Cossacks disproportionate. IMHO this number is also out by a factor of 10.
When analysing the numbers for the total Jewish population for 1648 in Ukraine, (which is estimated at being 40-50,000 Jews) this town had 1/10 of Ukraine's Jewish population which seems to me incorrect, possibly an overstatement or an inaccurate source.
Whewre is the source for this number and Can anyone enlighten me as to why such a large population of Jews were living in this city, and how many actually died in the Massacres and pogroms.
Thanks,
Bandurist (talk) 19:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The recent history of the article shows a revert war in which three editors repeatedly revert each other's versions of the article to their own previous version. Matters are made worse by the fact that few of the statements under dispute are supported by references, thus it's one editor's opinion against another. Please stop, reflect on Wiki's principles, and collaborate via this page. In particular, please stop reverting multiple edits to multiple sections; this is very disruptive. Instead, please improve one point at a time, supplying sources to support each change and accurately describing the change in the edit summary. Thanks -- Timberframe (talk) 09:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article uses both versions of the river name. Can we settle on one version or the other for consistency within the article? (Redirects already exist so changing the name where it is wikilinked is no problem).
For my two-penne'th I'd suggest we use the Ukrainin transliteration, Buh, since that is the contemporary national language of the loaction. Of the three present occurrences of Bug two are in a contemporary context (caption to a modern photo and "sites to see) which seem unjustified. The only occurrence where I would consider that the historical context may justify using a former spelling is in "Earliest history" where the river is mentioned in the context of an era of Polish administration.
-- Timberframe (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is an interesting question. The river was previously known as Boh, and was changed during Soviet times to Buh (in its Ukrainian transliteration). My understanding was Boh means God and the Soviets didn't want a river to be named God and towns such as "Between Gods" to exist. There is another river called Bug in Poland and obviously this adds tot the confussion. Having it as Buh differentiates it from the Polish Bug river and adding the term Southern to Southern Bug. Bandurist (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive me for insulting what I'm guessing are the relatives of contributors, but the last third or so of [list of famous people] seems to be made up of people who aren't actually famous. The list starts with Sirkes and the Baal Shem Tov, but by the end we're reading about tailors and bankers of no particular note -- as evidenced by none of them having pages of their own. I don't mean to say their stories aren't interesting -- as a descendant of a tailor from Medzhybizh, I was happy to see their stories, but I would cast a vote for their removal. I hesitate to do it myself without first raising the issue, as this seems to happen in lots of articles.Rabdill (talk) 01:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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