Talk:Muggle
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Excellent first article, Joe. Keep it up!
And, no, it's not too close to a dictionary definition. User:Ed Poor
When you mention that someone "was sued", please also mention the outcome of the suit. Was it dismissed as frivious by the judge? Settled out of court? Or what?
Anyone can sue. The question is whether their suit has merit in the eyes of the court (or jury). User:Ed Poor
I am reliably informed by someone who has actually read the books that the term "mudblood" can be applied to one whose parents are both muggles (e.g. Hermione Granger), and not just one who is of "mixed" parentage. Can someone who has read the books confirm this and correct the article? Thanks. -- Oliver Pereira 15:41 Nov 15, 2002 (UTC)
I've only ever seen Muggle-borns having been insaulted with that term. Keyblade Mage 05:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Keyblade Mage[reply]
Muggle added to OED in 1993? Potter books printed starting 1997? Something seems wrong. Everyking 06:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The term existed long before the Harry Potter books, but it's use in the books is likely the main reason why it's increased in use lately. This should be noted in the article, but I don't know it's true origin. OED doesn't either, just that it was introduced to English in 1205. Sun-Herald article on "muggle" lawsuit As the about link shows, it seems no one can claim rights to the term "muggle". Jobarts-Talk 05:10, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
Pooto remember Harry Potter ever having been translated to Klingon. What's the entry for Klingon doing in the article then? — JIP | Talk 10:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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It seems there has been severe vandilization of this article. I'll revert it. Lord of Light 13:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I saw an episode of the American tv show "Bewitched" and Samantha's mother Endora refers to some one as a "muggle". This was way before Harry Potter.
The episode is called "Three Wishes" and it's season 3, episode 2.
"Three Wishes" was episode 22, and does not contain that word. Endora clearly says "mortal" several times, but not "muggle".Klugerama (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm watching the episode on Antenna TV as I type this. It is:
"To Trick-or-Treat or Not to Trick-or-Treat" S06, E07 (First Aired: Oct. 30, 1969) Endora objects to Samantha's Halloween work for UNICEF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.60.37 (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In the article you say that muggles can't see ghosts. All the students at Hogwarts can see the ghosts. Hermione talks to them. Muggles can't see Dementors.20.132.64.140 01:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
None of the students at Hogwarts are muggles, and several other students also talk to the ghosts. Am I missing something? Faithlessthewonderboy 23:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Witches and wizards (hogwarts students, for one) can see both dementors and ghosts, but it is not known if any other member of the magical community (E.G., goblins, elvs, hags, vampires, even squibs, ect.) can see them. It is known that muggles cannot see dementors, but it has never been stated, or even implied whether or not muggles can see ghosts or not. Keyblade Mage 05:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Keyblade Mage[reply]
Somebody edited out the term "human" in this article and replaced it with "untermensch," a Nazi racial term referring to "sub-humans." I think it's clear that in her books, J.K. Rowling is trying to get her readers to understand and identify with victims of racism, since, by definition, anybody reading the book is a "muggle."
Nonetheless, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it is not a forum for debate. See WP:NOT. Replacing the term "human" with "untermensch" turns a factually-based article into a commentary on the term "muggle" itself, which is not appropriate.--Mcattell 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a Harry Potter book handy so I can't check myself. Should Muggle really be capitalized when it isn't the first word in a sentence? I see how it could be, but I also see how it could not, so can someone please check? We should probably do whatever Rowling does, in this and other HP-related articles. ) 19:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the middle of a sentince, capitalize it. Reference: DH, ch. Twenty Eight: The Missing mirror, page number 564, line 6 through line 7, sentince spoken by Aberforth Dumbeldore: "When my sister was six years old, she was attacked, set upon, by three Muggle boys." Then he goes on his story, but there's a reference for you. Keyblade Mage 05:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage[reply]
Hmm. I thought it was from mug-magic, le-less = short for magicless (people). User:Bojan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.197.54 (talk) 12:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to disagree with the recent incorporation of material from the disambiguation into this page. I think the link to the disambiguation at the top was a preferable solution. I think details of the usage of the term outside of Harry Potter is tangential to this article, while I don't see why someone looking to find out what Louis Armstrong was talking about needs to read through several screens of Harry Potter material before finding out Armstrong wasn't talking about anything to do with Harry Potter at all. Other thoughts? -- Infrogmation 13:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Who can tell me where this word come from? And as the article imply, the word Muggle was used prior to the Harry Potter series, then where? Dreamback1116 (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to Merriam-Webster on british English mug may mean a gullible, foolish person. The `-le` is a noun-forming ending. Also their website had published thoughts on possible muggle etymology
Rowling wasn't the first to coin the word muggle. There is an earlier muggle that is no longer used: it was a synonym of sweetheart.
Oh the parting of vs twaineHath causde me mickle paine, and I shall nere be marriedVntill I see my muggle againe.—Thomas Middleton, Your Fiue Gallants As It Hath Beene Often In Action At The Black-Friers, 1608
We're not quite sure of where this muggle originated, because it was fairly informal—one 1622 treatise on domestic duties warns husbands against calling their wives by "names more befitting beasts then wiues, as Cole, Browne, Muggle, &c."—and it not particularly long-lived. It had passed out of use by the 1700s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.186.250 (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I come with this proposal to merge this article into Harry Potter universe as because this one is really short: it lacks of deep, encyclopedic analysis, of a large amount of reliable sources, and has lots of information from the Blood Purity section (i.e. an explanation of what is a half-blood or a muggle-born). All information concerning Muggles in HP can be merged into a section in the HP universe article, and the later usages can be moved to the disambiguation page. Thoughts? --LøЯd ۞pεth 00:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The second sentence: If you are reading this page, then you are probably a muggle, and for that, I am very sorry for your misfortune.
Too lazy to fix it or dig through the guidelines right now, but isn't addressing the reader like this against the guidelines?
--Ben Atkin (talk) 01:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Where does it state that Barack Obama is a Muggle? What has it got to do with Harry Potter anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.4.49.101 (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is an encyclopedia. Unless you have a reference from an embearded, new-England professor stating Obama is not a muggle, then we assume he is a muggle. 24.51.217.118 (talk) 07:58, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I know I've seen the word muggle at least once as a street name on an old map showing the location of the Globe Theater as it was in 1599, but I can't remember the source of the map. The first time I saw it I was in college, the second time I was watching a documentary on Shakespeare. 76.16.169.224 (talk) 02:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to the author, Terry Teachout in "Pops," a biography about Louis Armstrong, (p. 121) "the word muggles was one of the many synonyms for marijuana used by jazz musicians in the twenties."
In 1931, a song recorded by Armstrong of the same name, marijuana (muggles) was not illegal then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.102.152.243 (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Harry Potter characters. I think that appropriate on the grounds that in HP, “Muggle” refers to a specific class of character. Okay?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 01:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]