Talk:Music of the Final Fantasy VII series
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Meanwhile, in the science articles... silsor 07:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It would consolidate this page, and help it get to GA status. Judgesurreal777 01:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently a more detailed rationale for the removal of the "Redemption" section is in order. Actually, when writing the June 24 revision of this page, I initially planned on keeping it, until it occurred to me how "One-Winged Angel" (much like "Eyes on Me" from FF8) really is a rather significant piece of music within the context of the game and probably the Final Fantasy series as a whole, while "Redemption" just isn't. The melody of "Redemption" is not a recurring theme within the soundtrack, the song has not been re-arranged and re-released several times, it is not a mainstay in the Music of Final Fantasy setlists, it does not exist within the game world and also isn't played during any poignant scene within the game, just the ending credits.
One would assume that any individual song worth pointing out within the context of this article, shares at least some of the characteristics "Redemption" lacks and there is no point in having an entirely redundant section stub for it. - Cyrus XIII 14:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added lyrics for OWA.
86.16.171.79 12:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The standard way is to use the word "Soundtrack". However, we can see on the album cover that they use "Sound Track". Shold we use the 2 word variant, for accuracy, or stick with the standard "Soundtrack", for uniformity, on the grounds they typoed their cover?Happypal 04:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's what usually happens when non-English speakers attempt to write in English Of course its a typo. Over half of the song titles are typos too, not to mention the ENTIRE FFI&II is a course in incorrect English.
I changed the track titles for Disc 1, Track 7 and Disc 2, Tracks 2 & 3, based on two reference sources from:
Disc 1 - Track 7: "Let the Battles Begin! (Piano Version)" to "Those Who Fight (Piano Version"
Disc 2 - Track 2: "Let the Battles Begin! (FFVII AC Version)" to "Those Who Fight (FFVII AC Version)"
Disc 2 - Track 3: "Fight On! (FFVII AC Version)" to ""Those Who Fight Further (FFVII AC Version)"
These were changed back by Urutapu, stating "It's like people can't accept this is WHAT IS OFFICIAL or something". I am not disputing Urutapu's claim, however I cannot find anywhere which states that the track listings are correct - every site which has information on it generally has the titles that I changed them to, and the official Square Enix website (see here), although in Japanese, seems to literally translate more accurately to, for example, "Those Who Fight Further" than "Fight On!". Does anyone have any better knowlegde of the official English translated titles? - Arite 16:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Those Who Fight" and "Those Who Fight Further" are incorrect on every occasion and should never be used.
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It says that Gackt did voice acting and motion capturing for Dirge of Cerberus, which I changed to "he was filmed in live-action in front of a greenscreen and edited into the CGI environment". It was changed back because I didn't cite my sources (though there are absolutely no sources cited for the statement as it is now as well).Well, here is one: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20051103/dirge.htmAnd here's behind the scenes footage: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQi9MYWW6Y8
Here a translation of an interview from the Jap. Famitsu mag: http://www.dirgeofcerberus.net/fullstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1138303015&archive=1138751820&start_from=&ucat=36&
So PLEASE change it back to the correct version.For now, I have completely deleted that statement as it doesn't have any sources cited (and is wrong anyway). 84.134.206.34 14:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can we add a section for the Crisis Core soundtrack? Both the cover art, tracklisting and other info are out now...DTwirler 18:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
this should be mentioned in the article with a link I believe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.252.141.248 (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just at a glance, I can tell it's really inaccurate; Track 10 - 世に仇なす者 should be, "He who Seeks Revenge on the World", and Track 17 - 古の詩に詠まれし水辺 should be "He who Receives the Planet's Divine Protection", or at least, something closer to them. You can find the tracklisting in Japanese here: http://music.yahoo.co.jp/shop/c/10/wpcl10438. Someone should set it up with the Japanese and romaji too, the way the tracklisting for FFVII is. I'd do it, if I had the time, patience, or knew how. Some much more accurate translations were done here: http://www.crisis-core.net/fullstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1190226852&archive=&start_from=&ucat=37& —Preceding unsigned comment added by WtW-Suzaku (talk • contribs) 11:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See Talk:Music_of_the_Final_Fantasy_series#Requested_moves. SDY (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Another well-presented article, stability, neutrality, breadth (I'm particularly impressed with the information about One Winged Angel), fair use rationales and MOS all seem fine. There are a couple of small points I'd like you to look at before the article is passed:
That's it, please drop me a note when you've dealt with the above. Someoneanother 19:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure removing the infoboxes for releases without cover art is such a good idea, as it deprives this rather extensive article of some one-look accessibility. Was this up for discussion somewhere? – Cyrus XIII (talk) 12:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At the beginning of the 2nd paragraph it states "The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII began 12 years after the release of Final Fantasy VII with the release of the animated film sequel Advent Children in 2005." However the original final fantasy VII was released (in Japan) on January 31, 1997 and in North America on September 7, 1997, making the statement of "12 years after" nonsensical. Fix it?
Given the previous discussion, changes and whatnot, not much for me to say here that wasn't already mentioned, so I support A-class for the article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well done researched and written. I'd support moving to A-class with the following two comments:
No disagreement here, but it should be noted that Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums does not use the "A" grade in its assessment scheme. See here, (the Quality Scale section): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment. So we have some project inconsistency here, but this article is tough to fit into a particular category of media products. Is this truly an Album article? Doomsdayer520 (Talk|Contribs) 08:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone else noticing that the references aren't showing up in the article. When previewing the page, I get this warning: Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included., obviously referring to Template:Reflist. This is the last good version. Artichoker[talk] 17:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As the original author of the Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Original Soundtrack, I am horrified at how my article was butchered over time by the ridiculous edits that people made (without even being bothered to discuss them on the talk page), and then finally the remnants are shoehorned into this steaming pile you call an article. I spent considerable time researching information on that album for accuracy (despite the fact that I OWN the album and had much of the information in my hand), and then spent an equal amount of time putting the article together. And I did all this with references to back up my information, which apparently means little around here.
As it stands, the section regarding the FFVII:AC OST is riddled with opinions (much like the rest of this article) and has very little substance. I don't care if the opinions are those of established websites; an opinion is still an opinion. In addition, the track listing is horrendous. I would like to know when iTunes became the authority on all things music; the last time I checked, we were discussing the Soundtrack album itself as it was originally released, not what tracks you could download off the internet. The way I see it, if anyone knows what the tracks should be called, it would be the company that released them, not iTunes. I have not seen any proof offered that demonstrates that the track listing as it stands today is in any way accurate and comes off as POV. That is, you are naming the tracks the way you THINK they should be named, not going by the accurate and OFFICIAL translation. In fact, it's quite ironic that every reference that is given in that section almost completely contradicts the information contained therein.
In addition, I resent the two sentences that remain from my original article is noted as being referenced from a site that doesn't even make any mention of that information. The sentences in question are: In addition to the regular release, a limited edition was produced. It contained alternate cover art displaying the Advent Children renditions of the characters Cloud Strife and Sephiroth and a booklet containing credits and lyrics. Indeed while this may be so-called "original research" on my part, the fact remains that I, and I alone, provided this information and not the site that was credited. I ask that this information be removed on three grounds: One, that it is indeed original research and requires a citation. Two, that the aforementioned citation is not a valid one. Three, that as author of these two lines, I rescind the right for Wikipedia to continue displaying it. I rescind the right because it no longer has connection to the article that I wrote and I did not give permission to use my content in the manner in which it has been used. I will, however, allow the use of this information on the condition that it cites the original article in which it was found, or if someone takes the time and cites a valid reference for this information. Thank you for your cooperation. 72.152.136.20 (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to PresN, yes I did write the article. I was username XDB, which I will be happy to login under if you want proof (I really don't feel like logging in just to discuss this, but if you insist...). The majority of edits made after I created the article were merely cosmetic at best. My biggest complaint, which you have failed to address, is the fact that no one could be bothered to discuss the changes they were making and why. This includes your merge. No one ever dropped by the talk page and asked for my or anyone else's input who worked on that article, which by your estimate was "about 15 people". So that's 15 vs. 1 and none of them had any say in the future of the article. Again, this is my biggest beef. I could care less that people want to improve articles, but how about discussing what you like to do instead of taking it upon yourself to do whatever with it like you personally wrote the thing yourself?
As far as the comment about it being only 6 sentences. You know, I don't know, I don't have access to the article anymore so I can't say what shape you found my article in. But I can assure you, there was far more information in my version than just 6 sentences. I contend that perhaps I made an unfair judgment as far as some of my work being plagiarized, as again, I don't have access to the original article. As far as surrendering my rights when I submit my work, I don't recall all this licensing mumbo-jumbo littering my screen back then, maybe it was always there but just not in my face like it is now.
My comment on opinions was perhaps a bit harsh. I really feel that this is a section that could use some improvement. Perhaps list the sales of the album or the number of tracks from this album downloaded from iTunes to date. Something, anything that falls squarely within the realm of fact. Just because it was "critically well received" doesn't change the fact whether people actually bought the album, which in my opinion is the best measure of success of a product.
I know I am kinda writing this response a bit out of order, sorry. You also stated: "Apple got their track names from Square Enix. If you don't think that a name is correct, change it. Preferably quote a source". Problem is, I have always listed what I believed to be the correct track listing, with 3 or 4 sources mind you (including the Square-Enix site itself), but it did nothing to sway people from just barging in and making edits that suited their position without being bothered to discuss why they felt the need to change the whole page around. After several rounds of reverting and attempting to fight off this madness, I finally had enough and walked away from the article. That was my decision and I don't regret it. I probably have no right to argue about the state of the article now, but I feel I need to state my position on that article which was indeed my own original contribution to this site. This is all I have to say on the matter. 98.66.147.36 (talk) 11:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've come across an official album not mentioned here. Track ordering and length are unlike those of albums in the article. I've checked and it's mentioned in several places. Sources:
http://www.squareenixmusic.com/albums/f/ff7adventarr.shtml
http://vgmdb.net/album/14324
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/final-fantasy-vii-advent-children/id329995682
http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-advent-children-complete/4885/advent-children-complete-reunion-tracks-released-today/
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII:_Advent_Children_Complete_Reunion_Tracks
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-8l-77-3-49-en-70-3h2q-43-n9.html
If this is already in the article I'm going to feel so stupid. It's just that it's not mentioned in name anywhere on here... Eagle Pilot (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added that FF7 song Aerith's Theme made it into a top 300 classical music compositions HOF but I'm relatively new to Wikipedia so can someone provide the reference at the bottom and maybe rephrase it better?http://halloffame2012.classicfm.co.uk/individual/?position=16 77.98.121.81 (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Japanese name of the song "Fort Condor" is actually 鷲の砦. It appears that at some point, someone miscopied it as 鷺, which indeed does appear similar, but is wrong. I see this mistake on both amazon.co.jp and this Wikipedia article; did Wikipedia get the track titles from amazon's track list?
In any case, I tracked down the physical copy and it does say 鷲. I did find some places online which have the correct track title, though you can find plenty more:
http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/m/item/itemShw.php?site=S&ima=1920&cd=SQEX000010001http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/130791-final-fantasy-vii/faqs/22255http://www8.plala.or.jp/boiled-hobbies/midi/cds/cd-ff7.html http://erelf2.web.fc2.com/ff7st.html
So hopefully that's enough info for me to fix the mistake without it being reverted. Snailplane (talk) 12:41, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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