Talk:One Tin Soldier

I wikified Coven, because they should have a page, especially if their big hit has its own page, but I'm afraid it's still a red link as I didn't feel up to taking on the bizarre history of this band (Satanism, etc.) quite yet. Anybody wants to beat me to the punch, please do so! -- MrBook 20:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I sat down and looked into it briefly (I had just started the Billy Jack article), found it complicated and daunting, and realized that this must be a job for a True Fan. Smerdis of Tlön 22:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I googled this song and came up with this site [1]. It states that the Original Caste's version reached US #34 and Canada #1. Later on it says Covens version reached US #79 then re released with US #73. Both these contradict the article and im wondering if I should change it or hope someone comes up with perhaps a more reliable source. Woldo 11:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing this paragraph pending a source that supports the statements made therein. The only source I can locate quotes Thompson as writing "Bruce is into a strange gig. Have you heard a single called 'One Tin Soldier'? That's his." (His what goes unanswered.) Thompson does not mention Lambert or Potter by name, and laments the "Fifth Dimension style arrangements" without mentioning whether the arrangers and producers are the same. This paragraph needs to be rewritten to support the source (or left out altogether), or a better source must be found. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

In some way, we should mention that the cord progression is the same as [[2]].171.71.37.103 20:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not true. The 4th chord in Pachelbel's progression is the relative minor dominant. The 4th chord in the One Tin Soldier progression is the tonic. If they were exactly the same progression, it might warrant mention, but so many musical pieces share parts of chord progressions that any mention of the similarities of these two works implies a significance that does not exists.

This is my first time "editing" on Wikipedia, so don't want to just delete that sentence myself (if I even can), but do believe that it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.110.78 (talk) 03:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, the chords in One Tin Soldier are significantly different. They are I-V6-vi-vi4/2-IV-I6-ii. The listed chords for the chorus are also wrong, they start with I-iii-IV-I, not I-V-IV-I. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.188.114 (talk) 04:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

this page is really contradictory, and someone needs to figure out what is the truth. it says in the 4th paragraph that joni mitchell and peter, paul, & mary recorded the song, and then in the last paragraph, goes on to say that neither of them recorded it. which one is right?

138.210.216.77 06:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Hellga, 7/13/07

Fixed

When you say the Skeeter one is the most commonly played, are you talking USA? I live in Canada and have never once heard the song by anyone other than The Original Caste, it being their song and their version being much better anyway. Can anyone confirm hearing this Skeeter one more often?

I cleaned up the article considerably, removing a lot of random cruft and trivia; I think the Coven version section is still too long. Titanium Dragon (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I am a Canadian woman living in Utah. I spent a great deal of time in norther Quebec in the 70s. I heard a recording of Un Soldat de Plomb more than one time and would love to have the words to it. If anyone could help me out in this accord, please email me at kyenta1@yahoo.com. Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.212.157 (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I read elsewhere that the song was a variation of an old song that was banned in England. The older version was a condemnation of the Crusades, which is why it was banned in England. I wonder if someone with better research ability than I could comment as to whether or not there is any truth to this. If there is, I would love to see the words to the original, somewhat 'ancient' song.

Janice Sept. 24, 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.2.12.132 (talk) 19:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The Chinese pop stars Rowena Cortes & Louie Castro did this song in 1978, why isn't this stated? --82.134.154.25 (talk) 12:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Did Joan Baez do a version of this?203.131.210.82 (talk) 02:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

From the many covers of the song after its main recording by The Original Caste, the specific date of Dennis Lambert and Brian Potter writing the song has been lost. I've done some research, but the ambiguity in similar song titles and covers led to no results pertaining to the original song. If anyone knows a reliable source, please make the edit. Thanks! SupaGamer2017 (talk) 18:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

We say:
> Coven hit the charts again with the song in 1973, in both the new MGM recording and a reissue of their Warner original.

It's not clear to me if the "Warner Original" is the soundtrack recording, or some third Coven recording, and I don't see a way to disambiguate from the content of the page. Anybody know?
--baylink@en.wp Baylink (talk) 03:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)