Talk:Ordinary People (Guest novel)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Whether she intended or not, Judith Guest's character, Beth, exhibits a textbook version of [Personality Disorder]. In one reading of the book/film, the slow uncovering of this narcissism is the main theme of the story. At the film's conclusion, the father and son begin a new journey as they look to life beyond the malignant narcissistic manipulations of Beth.

An excellent summary of this perspective was written by Julie L Hall, a prolific author on NPD.

I found it interesting to see Mary Tyler Moore, who plays the role so well, defend Beth in an interview. Mary Tyler Moore must have empathy for the character to play her in the film, but Beth is a character with no empathy for others.

Some elements of Beth's NPD include:- No empathy for her son (Or anyone else)- Concern for appearances, above all- Manipulation of her husband through flattery, sex, bullying- Refusing to be photographed with her son- Throwing French toast down the sink, as soon as he says he is not hungry- Control, control, control, something that her son - echoing and following her lead - initially says is the purpose of the therapy

How did she get away with the narcissism for so long?Calvin, her husband, grew up an orphan, so did not have the perspective to see how a loving parent would act.

Question I cannot yet answer: What clues do her parents give to the origins of her narcissism?

205.220.129.229 (talk) 16:07, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

She's talking about the movie, on which we have a separate article. This talk page is for the article about the book. Daniel Case (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph to the film article about this. Daniel Case (talk) 05:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)