Talk:This Is Spinal Tap
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Cult film, influential, IMDB 250 Andman8 20:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Needs info on DVD, director commentary, original preview, MTV music videos, and lots more.
...(^^ the above was unattributed and not written by me :)I have an official DVD release not mentioned here. It is the original film and no extras, no commentary track, nothing. It cost £2.99 in a bargain bin, so I"m quite happy. I've now bought the 25th Aniversary release anyway. 77.99.125.25 (talk) 13:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"This is a construction that only exists in the minor Jacaltec language of Guatemala, though it is questionable whether the writers of Spinal Tap knew this at the time."
Quote from article: "The band's name is officially spelled with an umlaut (two dots) over the letter 'n'"
Does the umlaut in Spin¨al Tap need to be reverted? كسيپ Cyp 21:28 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Does this need a disambiguation versus the medical procedure, which I couldn't even find? Pakaran 17:13, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
This article fails to answer the most important question: Why is Spinal Tap culturally significant? What makes them special? The article is full of detail and trivia which is completely uninteresting as long as the reader doesn't know why he should care.
--194.47.144.5 09:56, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Were The Thamesmen a parody folk band, or a parody skiffle band? -- Karada 11:29, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think this section is a little long. Most of what is mentioned could just be included in the "see also" section. Thoughts? [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 02:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've cut down a lot of the "Bad News Tour" part of "Other musical parodies" in the interest of NPOV and staying on topic. I've never seen BNT, but I'm not convinced that TIST is a "ripoff" of it - the idea of a mock documentary on a bad band is hardly earthshakingly original. As for why Spinal Tap is British, it's probably because many of the early metal bands were: Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Judas Priest, Venom, Girlschool, Vardis, Fist, Mantis, Witchfynde, Diamond Head...--JdwNYC 15:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This whole sections seems to have little (and in some parts, nothing) to do with Spinal Tap. Does it have to go on this page? --65.94.147.141 15:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is this intentionally ironic? (sorrry about my spelling)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.134.176.82 (talk • contribs)
- Shearer is a voiceover actor in the simpsons. In what way would it be ironic to say so? ElectricRay 23:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The quote regarding the Stonehenge monument is incorrect... I may have to check with the movie to get this correct, but I am certain it is currently not so...
I realise Black Sabbath had their own 'Spinal Tap' moment with the Stonehenge set, but I find it difficult to believe this was because measurements offered in feet were accidentally interpreted in meters. The recreation of the stones was certainly too large for many venues, but a reasonable-sized set more than tripled in size would leave no room on stage for the band. Anywhere. Also, I'm a huge Black Sabbath fan. If this was true, I'm sure I'd have come across it elsewhere, which I haven't.
This tale is just too good a joke to be true. My guess is that Sabbath's Stonehenge set was exactly the size it was supposed to be, but was simply too ambitious. The feet-to-meters anecdote is probably a later embellishment, added to make what really happened even more like the Spinal Tap movie.
The artielc states:
Ironically, Guest thought that "spinal" was a deliberate misspelling, when it is in fact the correct spelling.
I'm almost (but not quite) afraid to ask how he thought it ought to be spelled. --Phil | Talk 08:46, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
The name of the band also appears to use a dotless i. --B.d.mills 04:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
... and at least the dotless i we can render: Spınal Tap. We should do that, shouldn't we? I would be cool about the combined diacritic as well, even though my own browser chokes on it. I would rather have the diacritic incorrectly following the letter n, instead of suppressing it completely. So my suggestion is to use Spın̈al Tap throughout the article, including the title, and include a note on the inadequate display of combined diacritics in most user agents. Arbor 29 June 2005 09:09 (UTC)
I propose this this should be moved back to This Is Spinal Tap (or possibly This is Spinal Tap, I don't mind which). Reasons:
Oh...it's just better without the umlaut. ;) sjorford (?!) 14:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. I am inclined to believe the "I" in "Is" should be lowercase as well, but I left it uppercase since there was very little discussion of this. Dragons flight 08:05, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
In theory, separating the details about the expanded universe of the mostly fictional band from the film in which they appeared should help with the organization of both articles. 69.3.70.58 05:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC).[reply]
I'm not a fan, so I don't know where to insert this trivia: the band performs in the Milwaukee music venue "Shank Hall" in the movie. Someone please do this for me. Thx Royalbroil 20:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC) (Wikiproject Wisconsin)[reply]
...so fictional gigs and venues are not allowed but Spinal Tap's fictional albums do get a mention...!?! 77.99.125.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]
While I don't think Reiner or the rest come out and say it, but isn't the last drummer in the film, Joe "Mama" Besser, a reference to Joe Besser, one of the guys who replaced Curly and Shemp in the Three Stooges? --YoungFreud 05:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for a source since this "fact" was also added to the Grateful Dead's page. Actually only Pigpen died while a member of the group. Keith LEFT before his death, and Brent died AFTER the movie came out. The drummer parody seems to REALLY refer to all the drummers that seemed to be dying as the article points out. If we can't nail this down with a reliable source it should be removed, IMO. ThanksTom 15:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I added the paragraph about a possible link between the band's name and the sci-fi novel by Fred Pohl and Cyril Kornbluth. I have just read the criteria for deletion and realise that I have probably broken several rules. Sorry if I have!
The "Other musical parodies" section seems unecessary to me. There's quite a bit of information in there, but the movies are related to This is Spinal Tap only by not being This is Spinal Tap. What do you all think?Originalbigj 02:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised this article doesn't mention "The Last Waltz:" The Marti De Bergi (sp?) is clearly a parody of Martin Scorcese in "The Last Waltz," from the beard to the hat to the sychophantic questioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.229.176 (talk) 23:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all... Does anyone know what the piece of classical music covered by Tufnel in the movie is? It's a relatively famous piece but I've never been able to find out what it is. The original is played with a violin or similar bowed instrument. And shouldn't such information appear in the main article? In either case, thanks.
Me again... Found it. It's Luigi Boccherini's Minuet from 'String Quintet in E Major' Op. 13 No. 5, G. 275.
For years I've heard a story that a certain band, upon seeing the movie for the first time, stormed out of the theater because they thought it was a direct parody of them. In most tellings, the band is Scorpions, but I've also heard it applied to Aerosmith, Judas Priest and Uriah Heep. The story is most likely an urban myth, but if there is documentation (or disproof) of the story I think it would be worth discussing in the article. Does anyone have information?
David Konow tells about the response of heavy metal artists in his book 'Bang Your Head'. Most of which was, "Oh, yeah. That happened to us, that too, yeah we got lost backstage too. How'd they make a movie about us??"
The article is mostly a crufty collection of references in popular culture. It is notable however, and should be in the main article on the movie instead.--SeizureDog 07:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since I can't seem to find the link to edit the introductory section, can someone less dense in such things than I please add Billy Crystal to the list of actors with small or cameo roles? He was the "boss mime" who was berating fellow mime Dana Carvey and who utters the line, "Come on! Mime is money!" Amateur Mendicant 08:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the plot overview section, there was a sentence reading "In this section, Nigel also refers to a 'trilogy' that he is creating, a parody of the sad Guns N' Roses 'trilogy,' which fits Nigel's description". I have removed this sentence as I believe it to be inaccurate. Although parallels can be drawn with Guns N' Roses, this band could not have been the subject of the parody since they were yet to form and didn't release any widely accessible records until 1987 - three, possibly four, years after the production of Spinal Tap. Hope this meets with Wiki approval!GeorgeRob 12:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Gimme Some Money" - sounds like some work from The Animals, was that the inspiration? David.Monniaux 14:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The name of the Wikiquote page for this film is spelled WITHOUT the umlaut - so the link at the bottom of the article doesn't work. Can this be corrected?
If it can't, then perhaps this is another reason why the name of this article should be changed to remove the umlaut.
132.244.246.25 (talk) 09:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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About the parodic reference : besides Jimmy Hendrix playing with his teeth, there is ex-Deep Purple and Rainbow guitarist Ritchie Blackmore who used to do such a thing. During his guitar-killing scenes, he would drop his guitar on the floor, and play it with the foot. Faenglor (talk) 01:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
SELECT 'Sp' || UNISTR('\0131') || COMPOSE('n' || UNISTR('\0308')) || 'al Tap' FROM dual; -- Bardnet (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know whether this is better here on on the band page but dropping here for reference [2] --MASEM (t) 14:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I made a not very helpful edit summary and hit "Save Page" too soon, so I'll explain myself. The "Reception" section says, "suffering from, among other things, the failure of many viewers to understand that it was not a real documentary." I find this extremely unlikely. TIST was clearly publicised as a mock documentary at the time, and it's obvious when seeing it. I find it hard to believe that there were many viewers who (a) went to see the film believing it was of a real band, and (b) failed to work it out while watching the movie. So I stuck a "fact" tag on the it, but I'm tempted to delete it altogether. Peter Ballard (talk) 06:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't seem to be anything in the article about what came before (see Cinema Verite, Cinema Direct) that influenced this film, or any subsequent influence on other productions. Surely this is important for a film of this relevance to the genre? AlatarK (talk) 04:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the Criterion DVD commentary, the three main cast members reveal that a lot of people thought the film was based on Black Sabbath and/or Jeff Beck. Harry Shearer reveals that he went on the road with UK rock group Saxon, and stole a few stories from their bass player, but they all agree that they wanted Spinal Tap to be their own band -- rather than something like The Rutles, which would be obviously traced back to a real band. Saying that, they admit they had Status Quo or Uriah Heap in mind in terms of longevity. Useful information for future expansion of this article, I think. Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
it would be OR, as would any (speculative) list of which or what documentaries, interviews, BTSs or concert films the various cast members must've sat through by way of research.I've seen hundreds of possible 'moment' sources that pre-date the flick, & a great many that came after it in which the subjects unintentionally align themselves with the detachment-from-reality characteristic of the characters in the movie. if you want an example, head on over to yt & watch some of the video (there are a few hours) of prog group yes working on "going for the one", or the documentary following an early 70s ELP tour. I think it was ELP who built their own proscenium arch, within which to stage a same-show-every-night rather than rely on the changeable venue for mise-en-scene, & then discovered that it wouldn't fit in any but three of the booked locations. who knows? the flick is so loved by the rock community that people were quickly retconning themselves in as source material, hence the "how did they know that happened to us?" comments from some quarters.the plastic tube on the front of bebop deluxe's "sunburst finish" was one of a number of such tubes, designed to enclose band members at the start of their stage show. but is bill nelson colouring his account of this to make BBD more tap? difficult to say, without an eye-witness account of nelson & his colleagues trapped in these things.
but so.... the sub-plots that ended up on the CRF, & were hinted at in the laser-disc & some parts that made it onto the DVD... kirby's character getting stoned for the first time... the support band ('the dose'), whose lead singer has given the band each a cold-sore (we DO see these, but not the cause), derek's ongoing divorce... I'm supposing that they are not mentioned here because they're not part of the main body of the theatrical release, but shouldn't they have a bigger mention that "hundreds of hours were shot"? or is someone trying to save wikipedia some electricity again? :-/
duncanrmi (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can we relegate the talk about the orthographical peculiarities to a footnote or something? Seems to be getting the article off on the wrong foot to talk about these little quirks, instead of getting right to the point of what the movie is about. Vranak (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
– Took care of this myself.Considering that this movie parodies existing pop culture, who's to say "The Originals" are not "The Originals"? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The powers that be seem to have missed that Bo had arguably the funniest scene in the movie and he`s not even mentioned in the article. 24.213.122.169 (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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In the guitar-learning video game Rocksmith 2014, there is a library of available songs from real bands to learn from and there are five songs from Spinal Tap. The fun bit is the year listed for each song ranges from 1965-1980 to correspond to the fictional history as in the film.
Sadly another more famous music game, Rock Band, has many Spinal Tap songs available, but the year for them all is listed as 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmacfarl (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed this bit from the intro: "In 2016, film critic and author Jeremy Arnold chose it as one of his "52 Must-See Movies", describing it as "one of the single most influential movies of the past thirty-five years" and arguing that it "effectively launched a new genre—the mockumentary".
There's no reason why this guy and his book should be the most prominent critical voice--in the second paragraph, no less. Especially since the quoted writing is notably poor. "one of the single most", blecch. Soulnus (talk) 05:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Harry Shearer as Derek Smalls appears on the "Paul Shaffer And The Most Dangerous Band In The World" album. ( No singing, spoken dialogue between the two at a party.)
And ... B-Movie "scream queen" Brinke Stevens, is one of the prominent groupies seen with Harry/Derek throughout the film.75.107.41.198 (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see a list. I know of two off-hand. (1) The manager who keeps a cricket bat at hand given the band members' proclivity for violent altercations: based on the real-life tour manager of Mötley Crüe (incidentally also the inspiration for diacritical madness) who did the same, only he had a baseball bat - but a British band needs a cricket bat, obviously. (2) Jeanine, the beautiful blonde who turns up in her happy-dippy get up and wants the band's leader to take a new direction, one beat of the Tamborine at the time: this happened to Deep Purple, the real-life Jeanine being Candice Night. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:206E:945A:A84D:2DA (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the episode where the staff of dunder mifflin go to Gabe's house to watch Glee Micheal says crank it up to eleven. I believe this is a callback to spinal tap. 2601:840:4380:D790:31BE:B49D:3060:F01F (talk) 02:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]