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Hello Erik, please call me 74. I'm reasonably familiar with the sources (there are not 130k RS ... but a handful should be enough ... even one is WP:NOTEWORTHY), and pretty deeply familiar with the history of the content-dispute. Your analogy was close, but you missed the boat. The question here is whether we can mention *California* in the article Erik Haugen. Sure, just because Erik Haugen is a resident of california, and there is a Reliable Source which proves it (the government publication known as his driver's license), that does not mean that *California* should mention *Erik* as a Notable resident... until and unless a significant portion of the Reliable Sources about California do so. If we have newspapers saying "Erik Haugen is a Californian and a wikipedian" then we satisfy WP:NOTEWORTHY, open and shut case for "Erik is Californian" being in the Erik Haugen article, right? Well... maybe *not* right, some people say.
if ten RS this year exist, which say "Erik is a Californian" ... can that wikiNoteworthy fact be kept out of mainspace, because ten other RS this year, say the opposite? |
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Now, on the other hand, if there was a wikipedia article called List of People From California, and the consensus for the list was that anybody wikiNotable enough to have a wikipedia page belongs on the list if they are current residents, and Erik is a current resident, then your link would *probably* belong on that list. Some wiggle room, though. Maybe there would be some quibble about the driver's license being a primary source, and there would have to be one of the three in-depth-coverage-sources which justified your article existing, that gave WP:NOTEWORTHY mention of the fact that you live in California. Maybe that would not be enough; maybe we'd want you to be in Who's Who Of California, or something, which is 'okay', because the List is a collection of info *already* in wikipedia elsewhere. With me so far? The key question here is whether the Erik Haugen article can say with a straight face (i.e. in "wikipedia's voice") that you are a "former Californian" because the governor (Brown or Schwartznegger take your pick) wrote an article in 2006 saying you are not *really* a Californian anymore... though most other Reliable Sources authored by other folks still continue to say otherwise. WP:UNDUE is being (mis-)used to delete WP:NOTEWORTHY Reliable-Sourced-material *entirely* from wikipedia, as opposed to merely moving said info to some more-appropriate article. My grok of WP:UNDUE is that it does *not* permit deletion of material. Sure, factoids can migrate to a more appropriate article, and within the appropriate article the weight of the factoid can be adjusted up and down, but if non-zero RSes justify a sentence, it should never be the case that the sentence is given zero-words of weight by wikipedia, just because some wikipedians don't like the sentence's implication. Yes? No?
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Although it captures the essence of the other issues, the trouble is not just "is a biologist" in the first sentence, versus "former $scientist" in the second sentence. Almost every paragraph of the BLP has the same core issue: reliable sources exist, which give positive coverage to the BLP, but they are kept out of mainspace, because FRINGE. I've done some analysis on the particpants. Only the truly super-dedicated folks are able to keep working on the article. Anybody who is not, gets driven off. The article and especially the talkpage is a classic WP:BATTLEGROUND basket-case. It went to ArbCom, but was dismissed... at that point, grudges were guaranteed, and there are at least half a dozen I already know about personally.
BarleyBannocks/TRPoD is just the tip of the iceberg, here, and wikipedia's reliability is getting a beating series of pointed probing questions in the real-world press. Callanecc was trying to get some sort of draft-namespace up and running, where maybe mediation would be possible, but that has not happened. I have little doubt that this article will continue to be a thorn in the side of wikiJustice, if we continue on as we are, driving away all but the hyper-dedicated participants at loggerheads with each other. (The exact same trouble happened back in 2007 with this article; and with other battleground-articles in the past by some of the current participants.) But my main point here is that the core dispute is a policy dispute about the meaning of NPOV and RS and UNDUE and GEVAL and other pillar-two questions. 99% of the vast and numerous content-disputes derive from that core WP:SPOV versus WP:NPOV versus m:MPOV misunderstanding... everybody is convinced *their* interpretation of policy is CORRECT and the other people are therefore idiots/antiWikipedia/incompetent/biased/woolyThinkers/haters/megalomaniacs/whatever. Pillar four violations like that stem from the differing pillar-two interpretations.
TLDR: I'm asking you to help me understand the meaning of WP:NPOV. As you see it, at least. :-) Seems like it should be simple... except I already *do* believe I firmly and truly understand pillar two. So do other folks, and local consensus has been elusive due to generally-poisoned-and-adversarial-battleground-atmosphere. I'm not asking you to understand the content-dispute. I'm totally not asking you to read the talkpage back through April, or even read the 997 talkpage messages *just* in December so far (including one from moi). Either I'm wrong about pillar two, or several of the other participants are wrong, whilst arbcom and now AE have continued to pass the buck. Maybe you can be the Harry Truman of 2013? :-) Hope this helps; thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. And yes, please leave me a talkback/whisperback/pingback/whatnot, thanks. — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 16:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I would like to know if it would be possible for you to check over my Wikipedia page for " Von Tae' "and let me know what exactly is wrong with everything that I've done. If you don't mind, could you please email me at: contactvontae@yahoo.com.
Thank you.
ItsVonTae (talk) 19:56, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
You note copyright violation as a reason for deleting this page and there is some obvious cut and paste on the page - but for example the 3rd paragraph appears to be unique to wikipedia and would be a suitable replacement for the first two if you blanked those out for the copyright issues. Deletion seems an overly hasty response especially regarding a long-established and somewhat notable organization. SSP is occasionally in the news, for example this lawsuit from last year. Why not just blank out the problematic sections, along with notifying the editor(s) who put them in? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
In hindsight, I should have merely tagged the SK article and not been the one to delete. It was a pretty straightforward g12, but my doing it has caused considerable angst. I should have known it would; that was poor judgment on my part. Apologies. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 01:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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Why do you keep deleting Ann Buchholtz page? It is clearly straightforward biographical information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlgorano (talk • contribs) 21:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
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What exactly did I do to get sanctioned? I have tried to inform this user that his edits are against Wikipedias polices and when I asked him to join a discussion he would not join it and denied that there was even a discussion about him! I have sent this to the ANI, but nobody has responded to me. I have constantly given him many chances to stop, but now seeing that he would rather ban me for no legitimate reason instead of discussing anything I don't see why I should continue any further with my kindness nor see why he should be allowed to edit on Wikipedia. He has even insulted me! AcidSnow (talk) 18:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just removed my post from AE because it was pretty long. I thought to instead write here to clarify the problem. You can see that post here. You can also see my original request here and I think the problem is explained well there. As I had to cut down my reply, some things is not so clear. But I think the pattern is clear and it is an unacceptable one. --IRISZOOM (talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi ErikHaugen. Re this, was it a template issue? I saw the IP's request on the the talk page and I hunted without success for the origin of the vandalism. The page history suggested it had been there a long time but not continuously. Rivertorch (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, you reverted my revision showing Elon Musk as founder of PayPal, indicating he was not a founder. I am fixing his founding status across the board - I know it's confusing. He was a founder of PayPal. PayPal today is a renamed x.com according to the SEC: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1088143/000095015602000193/ex99_e-i.txt
I am going to put this on the Elon Musk talk page as well. I wanted to reach out to you directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.115.254 (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we please not close parts of the birds RfC until a closer evaluates it? It has happened before that someone has declared consensus before the discussions were finished or closed by an impartial party. If we want people to accept the RfC as impartial, we shouldn't start cutting active parts of the discussion. You were taking a decision (there won't be a second RfC) that should have been taken by the closer of the RfC. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee
The Clarification can be found at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarifications_by_motion and the complete discussion can be found at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarification_request:_Rich_Farmbrough_.28April_2014.29 For the Arbitration Committee,--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
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An arbitration clarification request(Rich Farmbrough bot issue), either involving you, or in which you participated has been archived, because the bot request has been withdrawn.
The original discussion can be found here. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 14:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
My self-reverted rollback of your edit was simply a matter of pushing the wrong button, not low-level edit warring, sorry. FWIW, the IOC use Madagascan, although I'm not sure if we can still have a standard world list of names (there seemed to be a suggestion in the discussion that we should go back to the original "variety of English" regional names, such as Great Northern Diver, rather than the IOC's compromise Great Northern Loon) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I followed your example but seems it's not correct according to Template talk:DEFAULTSORT#Capitalization in the sort key. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 11:51, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your moves of bird articles! Here are some more uncontroversial requests: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Articles requested moves. It would be great if you could help. Coreyemotela (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC).
There is no honor in what you do you act viciously like a Muslim fundamentalist and no like a decent Christian. Also I never hid I'm jungleewang/piachpia accounts. I said it many times that you act like a witch hunter viciously instead to engage in a direct noble and decent debate there is honor in what you do it's not making either rich or noble it makes you turn off people who contribute their time time to edit. I think you are a disaster not only for Wikipedia by depriving it from muggle edits but people like you are disaster for their own families Bcoz you can't fix stupid. You can fix lips and boobs but you can't fix stupidity. Also dude you an embarrassment for google. And an embarrassment for the stars too. I'm a veteran and there is no honor in what you do especiAlly after my effords to contribute to wikipediA which is not your own personal property. Last but not least you are so retarded that I'm not going to waste my time to contribute my time to edit Wikipedia no more but you are a witch hunter and I recommend you read the definitions of paranoia and oppositional defiant disorder Bcoz you got mental problems dude. I'm not offending you I'm simply telling you facts that obvious and I'm trying to help you by improving you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.193.192.149 (talk) 22:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hi! I see you previously blocked User:99.33.211.25 and User:70.193.192.149. Another user User:68.70.251.91 has just appeared and is doing similar edits to same articles. Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I didn't know if any administrator was aware of this and I thought I should let you know. --Barosaurus Lentus (talk) 14:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Erik,
There appears to be some quirky bug in the {{Automatic taxobox}}. At {{Taxonomy/Nandiniidae}}, the parent is listed as "Feliformia", but is showing up in the automatically generated taxonomies as "Felidayayae". Based on the sources I've seen, the former is correct; the latter appears to be some glitch or hoax being perpetrated at Wikipedia. How can we fix this? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Erik, I've just added you to the list of users involved, regarding the Talk: Elon Musk cofounder discussion. Just thought I'd let you know. DocHeuh 03:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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In January 2013 there was a "RfC on COMMONSTYLE proposal" at WT:AT in which you expressed an interest. FYI there is a similar debate taking place at the moment, see Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Stylization of the "common name" -- PBS-AWB (talk) 12:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
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well that was informative. :) — Ched : ? 23:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi - Just an FYI that I left a number of comments regarding the Amanda Rosenberg page at the 'Articles for Deletion' discussion: https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/en/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Amanda_Rosenberg I defer to however you think best to handle this page but am concerned about it. Just wanted to make sure you saw them as most of your conversation is in 'Talk' section. Wintertanager (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Will you please help clear up my confusion regarding your close wherein you stated, "Atsme, the Tea Party topic bans connection here is quite a stretch. Please take some care not to throw around wild accusations like this, it is not appreciated."
I don't really care either way, but the const char*
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I was going through Right to vanish and noticed you can change your username and delete your user talk page and user page if you want to disassociate with a previous account (which this is). I would like to do that. They suggested I contact an administrator, and you were on a list of active administrators. Can you delete my user page and user talk page? Is that possible? GambitMG (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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