Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aiden Markram

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested PROD. Original concern was that the subject has not competed at a level of cricket considered notable by WP:CRIC, but the PROD was removed with the rationale that he "is the subject of multiple non-trivial sources". Only one non-trivial source is included in the article, and the other is a trivial player profile on the same website, so if there are "multiple" non-trivial sources in existence, where are they? Furthermore, I have doubts that the more substantial source in the article should be used to determine notability, as the site it comes from is a cricket-specific site, and therefore it is within their remit to cover subjects that would be considered less notable by broader media outlets. Finally, it seems the article is making the point that Markram is notable for only WP:ONEEVENT; he may go on to do more notable things, but until then, it is inappropriate for him to have an article. – PeeJay 12:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think it should be kept although I respect whatever decision is reached at the end of this discussion. I think we should improve this article and add links from outside of cricket sites. Aiden Markram was the captain of the U-19 South African team which won the U-19 World Cup 2014 under him. Also there is another player Kagiso Rabada who was in the same team and has an article in wiki (although it might be considered as an 'Other stuff exists argument'). Markram also recorded two consecutive century in U-19 ODIs which is a record. Itz arka (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Rabada meets the requirements of WP:CRIN having played List A and T20 cricket in South African domestic cricket. Hack (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the conditions for notability should be improvised a bit. As it states that First Class and List A players are notable, but doesn't mention anything about players playing in U-19 World Cup. In fact the U19 WC is telecast world wide while several First Class or List A matches don't even come to the television. Also U19 WC gets certain coverage by the media, but FC and LA matches don't get that much coverage. So certainly Aiden Markram is more popular than any less known & so called 'notable' FC players in South Africa. That's why I think WP:CRIN should modify it's notability criteria and include players who played U-19 WC as notable ones. Time is changing so Wiki should change itself too. The old days are gone and nowadays an U-19 WC is certainly as important as any other international match. Itz arka (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There has been a lot of media coverage of the Under-19 World Cup, in which he was captain of the winning side, so I believe that he is notable per WP:GNG. JH (talk page) 16:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per above, particularly Itz arka's comment about centuries, if that can be cited? He will no doubt play FC or LA cricket soon (which I know is by itself a duff keep arguement) but as an inclusionist I can see captaincy of a winning U-19 world cup and the century think being enough to keep him until he plays top flight cricket. --S.G.^(GH) _ping! 21:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually you can find the two-century streak here in Wikipedia in the article 2014 ICC Under-19 Cricket World Cup. He scored 120* against Zimbabwe in the last group match and 105* against Afghanistan in their first knockout match in the next round. Itz arka (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

some links about his name mentioned in the media: [1] ; [2] Itz arka (talk) 03:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Marginal Keep based on WP:GNG. Johnlp (talk) 11:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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