Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ecumenical Catholic Church

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:46, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ecumenical Catholic Church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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The Ecumenical Catholic Church is a small unrecognized group, with no recognition whatsoever from any major Christian denominations. Their leaders are widely considered to be "episcopi vagantes" and nothing of notice can be said about them.It has been pointed out that the page includes references on Google and Google Books; however, this is nothing more than window-dressing: the Google references are websites affiliated with the Ecumenical Catholic Church and one of the books was written by its founders (Mark Steven Shirilau), while the other is about the Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. As if this wasn't enough, the creator of the page was Shirilau himself, may he rest in peace, which makes me think that this page is more than a publicity stunt than anything else. I move for deletion. Karma1998 (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Karma1998 (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: it does not seem to meet WP:NCHURCH. Veverve (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Christianity, and California. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all of these to a List of episcopi vagantes. BD2412 T 21:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That would be extraordinarily violative of NPOV. Jahaza (talk) 21:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: it fails to pass WP:NCHURCH and WP:GNG--Karma1998 (talk) 16:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Striking because the nomination already counts as a "delete" opinion. And, Karma1998, I think you linked the wrong thing. Did you mean WP:GNG? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil Bridger: sorry, I made a typo-Karma1998 (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep. This is a smallish group, but there is some coverage.
  • Bay Area Reporter, 1994[1]
  • Catholic newspaper in Sicily, 2016 [2]
  • Daily Breeze newspaper, Torrance, CA, 2010[3]
  • The Oklahoman, 1992[4]
  • Press-Enterprise, 2014 (reported obit for founding bishop)[5] --Jahaza (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the reliable sources identified above by Jahaza which show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep [This source (in Italian) in the Catholic Newspaper in Sicily meets the criteria for establishing notability. There are also a number of of other article (in Italian) discussing the denouncing of the topic church including letters from various catholic bishops. In my opinion, there's just enought to meet GNG. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:13, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment -- Nothing seems to indicate how many congregations there are. I seriously suspect that there is one in California and one in Mexico, which hardly makes it more than a local church. I normally vote to keep denominations, but this seems so small as to be NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does the number of congregations form part of the notability criteria? Which guideline is that in? HighKing⁺⁺ 12:06, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  For what it's worth, this church claims to have bishops in Kenya and Costa Rica. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:23, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.