Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Firefighting apparatus

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was procedural close. Wrong forum, obviously using WP:AfD for wp:merger discussion. Will move the discussion. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 09:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a large overlap between this article and Fire engine. While there is some good content here, it would be much better if it were merged into the Fire engine article. Or alternatively delete Fire engine and merge its content here. Either way there should only by one article where there are currently two. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• … none of which involves deletion, an adminstrator hitting the administrator-only delete button. You, or indeed any editor without even your privileges as an account-holding editor, could do everything that you've stated above, in fewer edits in fact than the series of edits necessary to make an AFD nomination. And not only are talk pages the things to use to gain consensus about merging duplicate articles, there's even an open discussion of this already at Talk:Firefighting apparatus#Duplication?. Uncle G (talk) 09:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep, the nominator does not provide a valid reason for deletion. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:52, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as per WP:OVERLAP#2: substantial overlap. Neither of the three reasons in WP:NOTMERGE hold. Both articles have lower-medium lenght.Trimton (talk) 13:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge I think the articles are notable and that neither should be deleted without prior merging.Saturn Lover! (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Fire engine. Frankly, I would have thought from the title that this referred to equipment rather than vehicles, but it does not. BD2412 T 00:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Strictly speaking WP:SKCRIT#1 applies here. With no prior attempts at editing or discussion, I'm not sure why this wasn't just done boldly. Indeed in the absence of opposition it could probably still be done boldly and this discussion speedily closed. 2A03:F80:32:194:71:227:81:1 (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The hierarchy may not be clear. A fire apparatus is an umbrella term that can denote a ladder truck, a fire engine, a specialized heavy rescue vehicle, a water tender, an aid car, or any number of special purpose vehicles. Trying to merge "apparatus" with "engine" doesn't make sense. If the article is unclear on that such that non-specialists might think merging the articles is a good idea, then it should be clarified, rather than merged. Jclemens (talk) 23:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Move: to Firefighting equipment and brutally re-written. The main issue is my understanding of the definition.. ie (from a google result) "the technical equipment or machinery needed for a particular activity or purpose". In other words equipment (or which fire engines/tenders are a subset). So this article should not be restricting itself to vehicles' in my opinion. In all events don't delete and if redirecting/merging to Fire engine allow for a later redirect. Show not have been brough to AfD for reasons given above. There may or may not be content worthy of attributed copying. 07:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs) 2021-04-04T07:57:45 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.