Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israeli Terrorism against the United States

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy deleted, overwhelming consensus to delete.Homey 21:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing, actually.

There are two incidents in this short article that don't justify having a whole entry for them.

The first one (the bombing of the USS Liberty) was not a terror attack. It was an army operation, either made by mistake (as I believe) or deliberately. In any case, it does not qualify as an act of terrorism.

The second, an amateur operation in Egypt with no casualties and negligible damage, was a terror attack, but not against the United States as the title suggests. It was a controversial operation with most Israeli population being against it, and surely was not "state terrorism" or on the same scale as other acts of terrorism. In any case, it has its own article.

--Gabi S. 11:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Teorrorism tends to be stronlgy POV except for those groups who openly use the word to describe their own actions. I still think the article is notable, and it makes sense to have a short article that 1) mentions the Liberty and the Lavon events, and 2) which could include other similar events that people want to write about. As for the Lavon operation, Gabi calls it amateur but that term's quite ambiguous. Amatuerish perhaps, but it was directed (according to the article) by a colonel in the army who was head of military intelligence: that sounds quite professional to me. Also an attack on USIA libraries was probably an attack against property in US diplomatic compounds and, hence, an attack on what was technically US territory. Gabi rightly points out that this is hardly the same scale of many other acts of terrorism, but it does seem to be an example of state-supported terrorism (on a small scale) against the US. As a title, how about Israeli Attacks on the United States? Interlingua ^talk 13:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per nom. Although I would point out that the second incident is, from the details of the article, 1) not an amateur operation, but directed by state intelligence services 2) indeed a state-sponsored terrorist attack targetting US government targets. There may have been no casualties, but that's beside the point - the essential goal of terrorism is to promote an atmosphere of terror, not necessarily to inflict casualties (for instance the 1996 Provisional IRA] bombing of London's Canary Wharf financial centre was not intended to inflict casualties but to cause maximum economic damage and uncertainty, and to symbolize the end of a ceasefire[1]; but it's still considered a major terrorist attack). Unless the article is factually wrong, I'm not sure where Gabi S. is getting his impression of the attack from Bwithh 17:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Deletefor non-NPOV. The two incidents, while very interesting historical events, have their own detailed articles so grouping them under this headline can only be to make some kind of political or moral (or other) point. That said, while I do believe this should be deleted, the noms arguments are themselves non-NPOV (and yes, my saying that is also non-NPOV...). Disagreeing with the premise of an article does not mean it gets deleted. It's kept or deleted based on the value (or lack thereof) of the article itself. -Markeer 17:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- Mwalcoff 22:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above, redundant and an unlikely search query anyway. Jammo (SM247) 23:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination, yet another attempt at an anti-Israel POV title. 6SJ7 00:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comment: Both incidents have their own articles; the one for the Liberty incident is a rather long article, and the other is still a substantial article. Both are linked in this article, which therefore serves as sort of an "index" to only two other articles. It is not needed. 6SJ7 02:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I await with bated breath Israeli terrorism against Wales, Israeli terrorism against Mars, and no doubt soon, Israeli terrorism against Wikipedia. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 01:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the commonality between these two operations is too far fetched to be encyclopedic. gidonb 01:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, SlimVirgin and gidonb. Both incidents have their own articles, and both are included in Category:United States-Israeli relations. This article has, therefore, not a single redeeming merit. Tomer^talk 02:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Just in case another voice is needed, delete per SV. The most important consideration, in my view, is that there is no thesis of Israeli terrorism against the US in reputable sources. Grace Note 03:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not even close. Is there a policy this doesn't violate? --Calton | Talk 05:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  After thorough review, I don't think it violates WP:NPA. It violates everything else. Cheers, Tomer^talk 06:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete.--maayan 06:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Gilgamesh he 06:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per all the above. A pathetic and delusional conspiracy theory writ large. IZAK 06:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. --Alex S 06:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. POV and original research. Pecher ^Talk 06:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete.Blnguyen | rant-line 06:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Evolver of Borg 07:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Kill per above. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 08:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - the two events are not similar enough or independently notable enough to require such an article, which only seems to indicate POV. jnothman ^talk 08:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete arbitrary listing for the sake of making Israel look bad. JFW | T@lk 09:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - an article contrived merely to create something that doesn't exist. --Leifern 10:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as Swatjester used to say, ^Ready Aim _Fire! - CrazyRussian talk/email 10:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - these two events have already been documented independently and there is no need to extrapolate these unrelated incidents further by highlighting them as supposed "terrorism". Extreme left and right wing POV's, sometimes borderng on rascist, xenophobic and highly unpalatable views that are just plain wrong, have no place on an encyclopedia. Nesher 10:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - an article that serves no constructive purpose other than to try to create controversy. Alansohn 11:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete racist drivel and conspiracy theory Kuratowski's Ghost 11:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Ayinyud 12:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Deborahjay 14:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Israel-United States relations and Category:United States-Israeli relations covers this already. Jon513 15:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - These two events do not seem to be connected by a larger theme of "Israeli terrorism." The relevant information about these topics already appears in their respective articles. --Eliyak 15:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Yid613 16:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Each incident has its own article, and the former is certainly not terrorism. Their grouping seems to be for more insidious purposes. Avi 17:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. -- Olve 17:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per above. --Shlomke 18:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete per pretty much everyone--Kalsermar 18:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete A more honest title from the anon. who created the article would have been "My anti-semetic POV masquerading as an article". Shykee 19:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)shykee[reply]
• Delete Per Slim's sense of homur. Zeq 20:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.