Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalvithanthai Haji. S.M.S. Shaik Jalaludeen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Deleting. Concerns abut verifiability and notability, and the persistent COI does not help. Thanks everyone for your participation and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 16:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kalvithanthai Haji. S.M.S. Shaik Jalaludeen

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Not seeing any notability from the sources (all of which seem to be just directory entries). Slatersteven (talk) 14:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. (note: I originally prod'ded the article). Sources added don't add any notability, and I can't find anything better online. Perhaps something exists in non-Latin script sources, but unless these are provided, this should go. Fram (talk) 14:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven:Regarding Deletion Proposal
Dear Slatersteven. I hope you have prompted me with deletion proposal. I think my article ("Kalvithanthai" Haji. S.M.S. Shaik Jalaludeen) still needs some strong sources. I can still provide more citations. This is a history of a Person who have started Institutions in developing rural area. We as a team uploading the History in many sources. I have added a reference of published website named "Kalvimalar" (which is a Guide to Education for people in Tamilnadu) published by daily news paper publisher named "Dinamalar" (which stands as a standard Daily news company of state Tamilnadu, India) which is started by A Patriot Freedom fighter, Social- Conscious Philosopher and Self-made Champion Journalist^[1]. I hope you can help me on improve my article and prevent deletion. Thank You.--Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 15:13, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S

Do you have a wp:COI?Slatersteven (talk) 15:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Being in a list (even one published by an RS) does not establish notability, please read wp:n. It has to be in depth coverage, about the subject of the article.Slatersteven (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven:Dear Slatersteven. I never had any conflict of interest. As I mentioned we are a team of Youngsters involved in Social activities. We are in aim to develop our town with physical activities and with technologies. Because we believe development of a country starts from town. The Person I wrote about in my article made a revolution in a small town which had economically weak people in Tamilnadu, India. He made their Higher Education Dreams become True. That is the only reson I wrote an article about him. And I want to spread the history to motivate more youngsters in the rural areas as well as urban areas. Please consider, I am not a paid editor. --Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 15:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S[reply]

COI does not just mean getting paid, it means do you have a connection with them. Also I fell you need to read wp:not.Slatersteven (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I don't have any connection with them. The town were the institutions are located is my hometown. Those institutions are also the reason for the development of this town. I have clearly mentioned in my user page that, I am here to write about the legends, powerful personalities and many more about our hometown. Please help me with the issue and guide me through how I can prevent the deletion.--Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 16:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S[reply]

Two of us have looked and two of us cannot find any wp:rs to use to establish wp:N. I can do no more than that, if I cannot find sources I cannot support inclusion. All I can do is tell you to recreate as a draft and work on it there, but frankly I think it will be a waste of your time.Slatersteven (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: Let me Improve my article. Thank You. --Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 17:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S[reply]

I put up two "needs work" tags, you removed them. That is when I AFD this, when you did not listen to what needed to be done. You have still failed to find one reasonable source (despite having been told what to look for). Go ahead if you wish and create the draft, I cannot stop you.Slatersteven (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I removed the "needs work" tags after I added some references to the article(As mentioned in tag). I have provided the website institution itself where the history of its founder was mentioned. Also I provided a reference of online published "[1]" a part of tamilnadu's no.1 newspaper publisher dinamalar. Still what else i need to provide. --Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 17:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S

I will reply one more time, You need third party (not affiliated with the subject, thus not organisations they have worked for or established) in depth (About them as a subject, not about their employers, employees or organisations they have set up or run) reliable sources discussing them. You need to establish wp:n (read it, its what its there for) for them, not just that they exist. You have been told this multiple times here and on your talk page. I suggest you ask for help now at WP:TEA.Slatersteven (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: Thank you. --Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 18:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S@Fram:@Slatersteven: can you suggest me some reliable newspaper sources from India.--Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 18:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S[reply]

• Delete Does not pass GNG, nor is spreading inspirational messages a purpose of Wikipedia. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment@Azarudeen S: what exactly do you mean by "we as a team". Are multiple people using the Wikipedia account that you are writing from? GPL93 (talk) 03:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GPL93: I am the only person who have the access to the Wikipedia account. "we as a team" I mentioned is a group of youngsters involved in social activities, including me.Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 04:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)Azarudeen S@Slatersteven: Regarding moving as draft I decided to move the article to my draft. Let me work on the reliable source. I request you to close this discussion page as soon as possible. Thank you --Azarudeen S[reply]

I never close anything I started to avoid any COI.Slatersteven (talk) 10:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I don't have any COI.--Azarudeen S

I said if I never close because I may have a COI. I started this AFD, so may close it in my favour.Slatersteven (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I came across many articles and did some research on them. They too wrote about their political leaders, their townmates and actors. Why they might don't have a COI? But you said I have COI??? I need to know if I can give a book which is published in google books as reference citation, will this article accepted? Azarudeen S

• KEEP. Article represent Biography of a person, Notability is depicted in many news sources.( !dea4u  03:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Can you present some examples of these "many news sources"? As Slatersteven has pointed out, none of the current sources used in this article are significant coverage from reliable sources. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP. The article is about a notable person from Tamilnadu, South India. I attach a news clip from reputed newspaper The Hindu in the article. Riyasafrim (talk) 06:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So they published the article today? That's fortuitous. Seeing as it's in today's copy of The Hindu, can you scan the whole page please. It would really help. - X201 (talk) 09:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@X201: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b3TzLFl3y0sbNBakcMsQb4lkPTdbiRWt/view?usp=drivesdk

That is not an RS, for a start why is it different from the rest of the front page?Slatersteven (talk) 11:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: As the font size and other specifications are,we believe,decided by the newspaper authorities,we have a limited say on it. We vouch by its authenticity as responsible educators.

Not if its paid for.Slatersteven (talk) 14:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect — to Khadir Mohideen College, apparently he's the founder → college history. Isaidnoway (talk) 10:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No reliable sources have been provided, the questionable scans and photos put forward in this discussion shows at best an advertising feature, more likely a fake. I do not buy for a second that The Hindu happened to carry a tribute to him on their front page just as the article is being discussed for deletion Dexxtrall (talk) 11:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Today is 100th birthday of the person whose article is published. The authorities of the institution or may be somebody else from the family have published it on The Hindu newspaper today. How do they know about the article I published is under the discussion. Also I would like to state the published one is not fake as I have a copy of the same newspaper. Read the words and the newspaper is not same as in the article. But both mean the life history of a person who born before 100 years. Please refer the birth date of the person and consider. Azarudeen Syed Bahurudeen 12:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

If 'The authorities of the institution or may be somebody else from the family have published it' then by definition it is not a reliable source, and almost certainly paid for advertorial Dexxtrall (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Azarudeen S (talk • contribs)  

• Delete Fails WP:V; insufficient sourcing to establish this person as meeting WP:BIO. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.