Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lena Yada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, everybody seems to be on the same page.--JForget 02:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lena Yada

Was Proded, but the tag was removed by author. From WP:PW, consensus was reached to not create the article due to it failing notability, currently the article has few third party sources one majorly being a myspace page. TrU Co -X 00:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why can't a myspace page be a source? it's her official myspace. i use good sources, her OFFICAL fansite, WWE.com profile, and her OFFICIAL myspace page. I also use her diva search profile. all official. How are they not good sources? I explained why i took down the tag. i can find as much information as i can so it's not useless and i'm sourcing everything i get. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackFrostFan (talk • contribs)
Please read WP:RS. Official websites are considered primary sources, and we rely on third party sources. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for insufficient notability and insufficient sources. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per addition of The Sun source and career in WWE; seems to be just enough to pass muster now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I'll try to find more secondary sources. I just think It'd be fair if she got her own article. She makes appearances on WWE weekly. Odds are she'll get an article sooner or later, why not now?— Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackFrostFan (talk • contribs)
Keep- I have to say keep. This can be easier sourced and turned into a start-class article. I see no point in deleting it again, now that she is active in the WWE. iMatthew 2008 00:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What does notability mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackFrostFan (talk • contribs)
Speedy delete, The article was previously deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anastacia Rose. If the article is to be recreated, it'll have to go to deletion review, not here. Nikki311 00:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, CSD G3 (which I believe you are talking about) only applies if the article is substantially identical to the delete version. I am not an admin, and thus can't check, but I don't think this is the same. TJ Spyke 01:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Of the ten times this article has been deleted, Nikki has deleted it three times as a recreation of deleted material (G4). I've also deleted it once under G7. Gimmetrow 01:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, due to third party sourcing, which is what the original article was lacking. Nikki311 15:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- She should stay, she appears on WWE on a regular basis. Eve hasn't appeared as much as her and she still has an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackFrostFan (talk • contribs)
Keep - Consensus seems to be that a professional wrestler appearing on one of the major programs is notable. As a whole, the article isn't abd for a start class. Sure, it could be sourced a little better. It is in progress as her role is developing. Don't tear down the house before it is finished. Less Than Clippers 00:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The Myspace page cannot be used to establish notability, though it might be used for some supplementary information as a self-published source if notability is established elsewhere. WWE self-promotion alone wouldn't be notable, but pageant.com [1] [2] has coverage of the beauty competitions, and there is a Sun article [3] and an interview at a pro wrestling site.[4] I haven't been able to find a reference on official sites of the Tandem Surfing Association, yet. Gimmetrow 00:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While that makes her notable within WWE, but she has only been there for about a month or two, she hasn't done anything major in her tenure in WWE up to date, wow she was a contestant in the diva search and now she is doing nothing but being in the corners of other divas for the past month, great info for a whole article. Eve however has been training in FCW and has won the diva search.--TrU Co -X 01:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it was only the WWE, no. Add coverage from sources independent of the WWE, notable. Gimmetrow 01:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article is sufficiently sourced and I believe she passes WP:N (especially being on TV every week and being seen by millions of people). TJ Spyke 01:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Comment moved after being placed between another comment and reply [5] Gimmetrow 01:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Eve's done the same amount even less, they're both interviewers, so what if she won the search. winning the search does not make you more important i.e., christy hemme. eve has trained in ovw, lena in fcw, neither has wrestled on tv yet. they both have the same amount of deserving. BlackFrostFan (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The thing is Torres is more notable, while Yada is Not notable, honestly, look at Yada's article, it is too short and there is not that much info or good sourcing. If you wait about another half a year, then mayby we can add her, but now she is not worth of an article.--TrU Co -X 01:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eve has barely appeared on WWE TV since winning the diva search, Lena is on every week and has even wrestled. TJ Spyke 02:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's why i said i'd get better sourcing and find more info. just give the article a chance. what's the difference if it's started 6 months from now?BlackFrostFan (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big difference, please read WP:N and WP:NN on why this article should be deleted.TrU Co -X 01:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She passes notability she's on tv every week on a national world wide show. BlackFrostFan (talk) 01:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was a similar situation with Colin Delaney. He just randomly popped into the WWE as a jobber, and now is involved in a feud. Lena didn't just pop in, as she was part of a diva-seach. People know her before she signed a contract. She is also involved in a small feud with Leyla against Kelly Kelly. If you feel Lena is NN, then Colin is definitely NN. iMatthew 2008 01:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Various sources claim she won "Miss Hawaiian tropic Japan". I can't verify that outside WWE-related sources, but if it can be verified that would seem to be notable. Gimmetrow 01:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com appears to be a fine third party source. Being on a widely broadcast show on a regular basis seems notableHobit (talk) 02:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
btw, the pics from her myspace, let me guess it's not usable? BlackFrostFan (talk) 02:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no proof that the MySpace pics are or aren't copyrighted. It would be best to use a free picture if possible. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Merely having the images on a myspace page does not mean they are released under a "free" license. She could be using images she owns (or has authorisation to use) without any intention of releasing them for free. Gimmetrow 03:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as notable. The Sun article, IMDb etc all shows a pass for WP:N. Sting au Buzz Me... 03:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Essentially anyone can get an imdb profile, so that's not an indication of WP:N. Gimmetrow 03:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, appears to be notable. Got 3rd place in the 2007 WWE Diva Search. Has a contract with WWE. Ms. Venus Swimwear International 2002 first runner-up. Article in The Sun. --Pixelface (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, appears to have sufficient mentions outside of WWE and self-published mentions, (incidentally, I do consider WWE a reliable source regarding its wrestlers, who are independent contractors, not employees.) -- RoninBK _{T C} 05:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.