Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One fastlappers

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The result was no consensus. ~ mazca ^talk 20:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One fastlappers

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Duplication of information which already exists in Fastest lap and List of Formula One drivers. If consensus is to keep the article, can we please change the name?: I have never seen the term "fastlapper" used anywhere else. DH85868993 (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As nominated, duplication of information already available, plus WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It's been 50 years since fastest laps has been anything other than a footnote in Formula One races. --Falcadore (talk) 02:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I do not understand what distinguishes this list from other like List of Formula One Grand Prix winners, List of Formula One polesitters and List of Formula One Grand Prix winners (constructors). PS. From WP:INDISCRIMINATE: In cases where this may be necessary, (e.g. Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2008), consider using tables to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists. Cybervoron (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The importance of winners is obvious, it's the single most important statistic relating to any motor race. Pole position contributes significantly as it establishes the starting order of the race. Fastest lap does not contribute at all, it's not determined until after the last car finishes the race, has not contributed to the deciding of the World Championship since 1960, it's essentially trivia and duplicated trivia at that. --Falcadore (talk) 03:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All of these lists fall under the definition of: "it's essentially trivia and duplicated trivia at that". And the fact that for the fastest lap was given a point (even if before 1960), makes it more significant than a list of polesitters. Cybervoron (talk) 03:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you only listed the season where points were awarded then I might accept that arguement. Seeing as you haven't, then obviously you are trying to tell a different story with this article so I can't accept that point as being valid. --Falcadore (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if will be consensus for this, i will rewrite the list. Cybervoron (talk) 05:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As it would still be a duplication of information appearing in list of F1 drivers article, a re-write would not be likely to change my opinion. Can't speak for anyone else of course. --Falcadore (talk) 05:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can see a lot of work has gone into this, but it goes beyond what I believe is Wikipedia's remit: to be a general purpose encyclopedia. In the general media, I've never seen any discussion of numbers of fastest laps beyond possibly Michael Schumacher taking the record from Alain Prost. In the specialist press I don't think I've ever seen anything more than a list of the top ten all time (already covered in Fastest Lap). The only place I've seen lists like this is the the stats sites, and I don't think it's our place to replicate that kind of detail. For the period 1950-1960, we could perhaps add a table of fastest laps to the season articles? The info is already there in the results tables, but you can't see easily how the drivers rank. 4u1e (talk) 07:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen any discussion of numbers of poles? Cybervoron (talk) 09:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More than I have of fastest laps, certainly, although much less than of race wins. 4u1e (talk) 12:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Article has been renamed to List of Formula One drivers who set a fastest lap. DH85868993 (talk) 09:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The information is interesting, useful, accurate, complete, and is very well sourced. There is nothing lacking here. If we do not allow this page to exist, where else will we find it? In some book that will cost me 50 dollars? This person did all the work and is not even paid a cent I presume. I also added text in the fastest lap page. That article should have more text, as this article has the complete stats. It would also be better if we keep the most complete list and delete the top 10 F/L list (a list of 9 retired drivers.)

Keep (weak) I was going to say delete, but the above comment changed my mind. Were I a Formula One fan, this would be interesting information, and as (?he?) says the information probably isn't findable anywhere else accessibly. David V Houston (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.