Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Principality of Mirdita

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The result was merge to Mirdita. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Principality of Mirdita

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A "principality of Mirdita" never existed. There is no bibliography which discusses a "principality" of Mirdita. This region was the southern part of the Ottoman county of Dukagjin since 1520-1536. It enjoyed tax privileges and the right to bear arms because the former overlords (Dukagjini family) had ascended in Ottoman hierarchy. In the late 17th century, it became the bajrak of Mirdita as a semi-autonomous Ottoman military-administrative unit, but it wasn't a principality, it had no princes and its hereditary chief (bajraktar) was appointed by the Ottomans. I think that the author of the article was led to write about a principality of Mirdita because the article's bibliography is based on the writings of a member of the family of bajraktars of Mirdita. Naturally, personal publications from members of old feudal families tend to put forward embellished narratives. Maleschreiber (talk) 15:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be a fork of Mirdita. Is there any reliably-sourced content that could be merged there? One article, with content to be decided by consensus on the talk page based on reliable sources, would be better than two. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil Bridger: At most a small section of 4-5 lines can be salvaged because the article mentions some historical events which definitely happened under a historical narrative which doesn't correspond to historiography.--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Mirdita, preserve the material cited to Gjon Marku on someone's userspace pendign a WP:RS discussion about the work. Of course a thing to keep in mind is that we might not want to have too much in the first place as there's a potential WP:COI given family connections.--Calthinus (talk) 23:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
do not delete: Either Keep or Merge (not just redirect) to Mirdita. This article cites three sources, all likely to be RS. I had to locate one of these (Elsie) in the Mirdita article and copy it here. This article has details missing from the other. Maleschreiber's argument fails to make a case for deletion, but might imply renaming to Bajrak of Mirdita. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If the article is kept, it propagates to readers a narrative that in one form or another, a Principality of Mirdita existed. My rationale for deletion is that such a principality never existed. The article has an infobox, an image which supposedly depicts its banner and a map which supposedly depicts its territories. The banner is from the 19th century and the map depicts borders which never existed.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as per above discussion. Oaktree b (talk) 19:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.