Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stu Klitenic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus since sourcing was improved is clearly for keeping. Michig (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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A former Atlanta Braves radio host. Not notable. Ashbeckjonathan 02:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Repaired malformed nomination. Bearcat (talk) 03:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed, there's not a whole lot of notability being demonstrated — or, more importantly, sourced — here. Its only cited source is quite literally a blurb, and Google is turning up a lot of pages in which his name is mentioned but almost nothing that would count as a valid source for a stronger claim of notability. Delete. Keep per sourcing improvements. Bearcat (talk) 03:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• If someone like Robbie Bullough was deleted, despite being on a national TV Network and calling games for every NCAA sport there is, then Stu Klitenic needs to be deleted. Where is the notability about what he did. Was he a player? Did he get some sort of illness that forced him out of the radio booth early on, because 15 years is rather short for any type of baseball radio host or announcer. I understand him being a pre and post game host, but was he present during their World Series runs? If he was, then maybe he meets the guideline for notability, but with the article written as a stub the way it is, it should be deleted. Delete. - Bigddan11 (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge The subject lacks sufficient notability for a stand alone article. I suggest merging with Atlanta Braves subsection Radio and television. If that is not practical then I would support a delete. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Unsourced for now 7 years since 2006. Not likely to improve . Solomon7968 05:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 05:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 05:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as an athlete who won a gold medal representing the United States in men's basketball at the 1977 Maccabiah Games and as a broadcaster whose 30+ year career has been the subject of multiple in-depth stories in reliable sources over an extended period. Like this one from 1982, this one from 1989, this one from 1996, this one from 2005, and so on. Also, I have significantly expanded and improved the article since this AfD began. - Dravecky (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Well the sourcing has been improved now, and 'Unsourced for now 7 years since 2006. Not likely to improve' is not in itself a reason for deletion, if the sources which are given are OK. (It would be utterly irrelevant if, say, the subject had died or entered a monastery in 2006). Therefore, keep.--Smerus (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• @Smerus withdrawn after improvements. Solomon7968 06:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - There's enough current info on there for major credits. The article would be greatly improved if the lead of the high school (which is probably what tripped the afd) was put down lower but still being a commentator for a major sports team and a sports caster in a major market is enough for a keep.09:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. His basketball career won't get him past WP:ATHLETE to me. The Maccabiah Games aren't major enough to pass that standard, nor does playing for a Hall of Famer. His broadcast career doesn't get it either. He's simply had a job, nothing notable about it (major awards etc). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No notability. This article fails to reach the Wikipedia notability guidelines. Ashbeckjonathan 12:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
• Conditional Keep - Keep if a source can be found to verify his Emmy Award (when and where he won it). (talk) Vjmlhds 13:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could but this article still fails to meet the notability guidelines. Ashbeckjonathan 13:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Ditto Vjmlhds (talk · contribs). Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, point 3 because of the award. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are four major options to discuss about the article: deleting, merging, redirecting, or keeping. You could also possibly do a redirect to List of Atlanta Braves broadcasters and I won't have a problem with it, but I still think that this article fails to reach the notibility guidelines; once again I say delete in my opinion. Ashbeckjonathan 14:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

At this point WP:HEY is beginning to apply to the pagespace. His profile on his company site (click on his name at the bottom) claims "Emmy-winning", but I wouldn't count that as reliable (could be used to support RS). That said, as a public media professional, I doubt he'd be claiming an Emmy without some reason. I'm seeing some untrustworthy google summaries which point to his being involved in Emmy-winning production during his time at WSB-TV. This PDF seems to indicate nomination for regional Emmy during the 93-94 season. I'm not finding anything easy online, but offline sources are sure to exist for this stuff. He's certainly documented enough to pass WP:VERIFY. The question is the threshold for WP:CREATIVE... BusterD (talk) 05:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I see no reason to merge or redirect this one because he didn't actually broadcast the Braves games he worked as a host for the pregame show which isn't really all that notable.. Nothing in his high school or college sports career that stands out and the Maccabiah Games arent a major international competition. Spanneraol (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC) Change to keep due to article improvements and better sourcing. Spanneraol (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with you Spanneraol and I don't think it is necessary to merge or redirect this article. Ashbeckjonathan 15:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Ashbeckjonathan 18:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm neutral as to the outcome of this procedure, but I must report I was canvassed by the nominator to visit this page, as were many other editors (40+), most of whom had never edited this page. I feel compelled to report that this morning I messaged User:Ashbeckjonathan about notifying the page creator, but that user deleted my comment and has still failed to Afd-notice pagecreator per instruction on the AfD page. Further, nominator has placed three(my miscount) two (user unbolded one) one bolded delete assertions on this procedure. I don't usually bite newbies, but with 3000+ edits since 12/12, a certain competence might be expected, or at least willingness to listen to feedback. I urge that user to read further on deletion procedures, especially Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Nomination assertion is WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE. While a user is welcome to maintain their own talk page as they wish, I'd also suggest that user not ignore/delete useful feedback on talk, as has been done several times recently ([1],[2],[3],[4]). BusterD (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That has nothing to do what we are talking about. Besides, this is my only time doing this since I am not an administrator. Ashbeckjonathan 20:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll stipulate to the first comment. As to the second, most of us here are non-admins, but we are willing to learn as we go. BusterD (talk) 20:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, put it this way, I am still new at Wikipedia. And yes, I do understand what you are talking about. Ashbeckjonathan 20:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I could also give anyone credit who really agrees on having this article deleted, even though I have said too many times already. Ashbeckjonathan 20:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there may be a way to get the job done to decide what to do with the article. Ashbeckjonathan 23:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Although I don't have much opinions about him, but I think that I would take it seriously about deleting it and to me the article fails to meet Wikipedia's notable guidelines. 184.158.68.216 (talk) 23:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC) — 184.158.68.216 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Yes, but there has been multiple issues for Stu Klitenic; it did not meet Wikipedia's notable guidelines, it was incomplete, and stuff like that. Ashbeckjonathan 23:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I can't find a single reliable reference for Stu Klitenic to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Ashbeckjonathan 03:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. You don't need to comment on every comment. You don't need to cheerlead for deletion. You do need to examine the article as it stands now to see that mutliple reliable third-party sources in-depth about the subject have been added since your nomination. This is starting to look less like "valid concern" and more like "vendetta" against the subject. Also, your baseless accusation on my talk page was inappropriate and wrong. - Dravecky (talk) 03:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator deleted the above comment by User:Dravecky. I've reverted this blanking and warned the user about doing so again. BusterD (talk) 22:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Based on this editing history I now strongly suspect that this IP editor is actually Ashbeckjonathan editing while logged out. - Dravecky (talk) 07:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, subject meets WP:GNG, the article is informative and well referenced. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Cumulatively there is enough coverage of this individual's career achievements in reliable sources to merit inclusion based on notability. Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep From my perspective, the article does not that many issues. It is in pretty good shape. The article does reach the Wikipedia notability guidelines. WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.