Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 November 29

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File:1934 Final Teams.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid {{PD-URAA}} claim: as this was taken after 1925, it can't have been published before 1926, which is a requirement for Irish photos using this copyright tag. Stefan2 (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:1952 Skoda 1200 4-door sedan.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is no evidence that the copyright tag is true. Source country unknown. Stefan2 (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Alfred Orda photo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• We are lacking evidence of publication in Poland, which is one of the requirements for {{PD-URAA}} for Polish photos. Stefan2 (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Anacleto Gonzalez Flores.gif (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Insufficient source to verify copyright status. Stefan2 (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Andrew Goodpaster NATO photo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is no explanation as to why this copyright tag would apply. Stefan2 (talk) 00:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Animal Village Takeo Takei.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid copyright tag: {{PD-URAA}} can only be used for Japanese drawings if the artist died before 1946, which isn't the case here. Stefan2 (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:1928 Hilda Runciman.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid {{PD-URAA}} claim: as this was taken after 1925, it can't have been published before 1926, which is a requirement for British photos using this copyright tag. Stefan2 (talk) 00:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the tag for PD-UK as the image was taken in 1928 by an unknown author, therefore the copyright expired in the UK in 1998 70 years after it was created in 1928 under UK copyright law. Jack1956 (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This image is currently tagged as non-free. If there is a dispute with the rationale, please tag the image with {{dfu}} or list it at WP:Non-free content review. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Note image now tagged as free. Jack1956 (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{PD-UK}} only covers the source country, this still needs clarification of copyright status in the US. January (talk) 17:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no alternative earlier image of the subject that I can find and I have spent a lot of time looking. Isn't it Wikipedia policy that if a free image could not be found after a reasonable search NFCC rules allow the Lead image in bio articles to be a non-free image? Jack1956 (talk) 20:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use could be claimed for Hilda Runciman, Viscountess Runciman of Doxford, but it would have to be removed from the other two articles it is currently used in (St Ives by-election, 1928 and Tavistock (UK Parliament constituency)). January (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't know it was on other articles. Let's do that then - keep it on bio and delete from the others. Jack1956 (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that {{PD-UK}} applies. That template can only be used for photos by unknown photographers. This one seems to be scanned from a newspaper. It might be possible to claim that the photographer is unknown if the photographer isn't named in the newspaper, but you can't make that claim without first checking the image caption in the newspaper. Unfortunately, the image is only sourced to a private e-mail, so it isn't trivial to find out which newspaper you should check for an image caption. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting ridiculous. Those of us who live in the real world do not have time to go to a newspaper library and check through every newspaper/journal/magazine at that date in 1928 on the off-chance we might find the name of the photographer and then see if we might be able to find out when s/he died! Newspaper photographers in that period were not credited in a caption; it could have been taken by any one of a number of staff photographers. The photographer is unknown and the {{PD-UK}} tag is being used correctly. Can we move on from this waste of time now, please? Jack1956 (talk) 09:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is clearly PD-UK with no credit shown with the image.Graemp (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you do not have enough information about the source for a photo, then you can't claim that it is in the public domain. If it has been published with attribution at some point, then it doesn't satisfy {{PD-UK-unknown}}. You can't make something "anonymous" by uploading an image to the Internet without specifying the source. Furthermore, there is no evidence that it was published before 1926, which is a requirement for it to be in the public domain in the United States. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Convert to non-free for one article as proposed earlier. Unfortunately it is copyrighted in the United States, see WP:Non-U.S. copyrights#Restored copyrights (it fails point 3 of the four-point test since the earliest it could have entered the public domain in the UK is 1998). The US copyright expires in 2023 if I'm right in thinking that the applicable term is 95 years from publication. January (talk) 19:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no evidence that it was published in 1928. All we know is that it was taken during that year. Obviously a published photograph, but when was that publication? --Stefan2 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. I also notice some new information has been added to the description page suggesting this image originated c. 1910, but we still don't know when it was published. Without that information I can't think of a way to prove that this image is PD in the United States, so it's unfree for our purposes even if {{PD-UK}} is valid. January (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is correct that the image was created around 1910 judging by the hat, hair colour and facial features when compared to a 1927 portrait of her held by the NPG. It is inconceivable that any publishing house would hold onto a photo from this period and then publish it after 1926, which are the only circumstances in which it would fail public domain status.Graemp (talk) 04:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know that it was the work of a publishing house. The basic problem here is that because the source website does not specify where it was scanned from, we have no verifiable information on the origin or first publication of this image. January (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Avenue des Français in Beirut.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• {{PD-URAA}} can't be used for Lebanese photos unless they were published before 1946, which obviously isn't the case with photos from the 1950s. Stefan2 (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:At the early times of CAFUC.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• One requirement for using {{PD-URAA}} for Chinese photos is that the photo was taken before 1946. As the Civil Aviation Flight University of China was established in 1956, this can impossibly be the case here. Stefan2 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Barbara Allen illustration by Henry Brock 1934.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid copyright tag: {{PD-URAA}} can't be used for British illustrations unless the illustrator died before 1926, which obviously can't be the case with an illustration from the 1930s. Stefan2 (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bees Entrained by Beling.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid copyright tag: {{PD-URAA}} can't be used for German works unless the author died before 1926, which is impossible for a 1929 work. Stefan2 (talk) 00:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Brezhnev1936.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• A requirement for using {{PD-URAA}} for Russian photos is that the photographer died before 1946. Unfortunately, we do not have any evidence that this is the case. Stefan2 (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Busch Quartet c.1930.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid copyright tag: {{PD-URAA}} can't be used for German photos taken after 1925, and it can't be used for photos which weren't published before 1989 either. Stefan2 (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bücker Bü131 Jungmann.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid public domain claim: unless this was published before 1926, it is still copyrighted in the United States. Stefan2 (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mackenzie King Cabinet 1947.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid USA copyright tag: {{PD-URAA}} can't be used for Canadian photos taken after 1945. Unfree in USA. Stefan2 (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Finger Vein Working.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Hitachi Ltd and Hitachi Europe Limited claimed the copyrights on this image in 2006. See: http://www.hitachi.eu/veinid/documents/articleforfvforbankingvision2010final.pdf. Uploader claimed to be the copyright owner of the image at the time of the upload. No evidence to support that the uploader was from Hitachi Ltd and Hitachi Europe Limited. Z22 (talk) 07:04, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Lao-America College.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• File claimed as own work, but as the logo of an organisation, seems unlikely. Fenix down (talk) 08:07, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Isrg rajan.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is no evidence of permission except for {{db-f3}}, but an IP keeps removing the {{subst:npd}} tag. Stefan2 (talk) 14:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:3LCD illustration diagram.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Image seems to originate from [1] website if you look at the epson brochure/manuals pages. Seems to not be owned by uploader -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 14:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Peel Thunder Jumper.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Not the uploaders work, copyright belongs to the team. LGA _talk^edits 22:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Warragul Football Club Jumper 2010.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Not the uploaders work, copyright belongs to the team. LGA _talk^edits 22:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Northern Territory Thunder Jumper.svg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Not the uploaders work, copyright belongs to the team. LGA _talk^edits 22:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Wanderers Eagles Jumper.svg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Not the uploaders work, copyright belongs to the team. LGA _talk^edits 22:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Robina Roos Jumper.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Not the uploaders work, copyright belongs to the team. LGA _talk^edits 22:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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