Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Han Civilisation.png

This is an excellent image, but it suffers from a POV. The map shows the claimed contemporary borders of China. In other words, it has a pro-China bias. (China and India dispute large tracts of territory – See FP Image:India-locator-map-blank.svg how this is depicted). I've gone through a long debate with the author on the image talk page, but nothing fruitful has materialised. From Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, as quoted by Jimbo Wales, this policy is non-negotiable and cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, or by editors' consensus. A featured map cannot be biased. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In my opinion, the mention in the legend that the borders are "claimed" sufficiently addresses your objection. Changing anything further would constitute needless clutter and reduce the value of the image. Considering that people will use this map to learn about the extent of the Han civilisation and the modern borders are purely for comparison, I would say that the map is not really asserting anything about the modern borders and can't be accused of POV. Not to mention, the disputed borders don't even come very close to the Han civilisation borders, so it's very unlikely anyone will come away with a biased view of the extent of modern China after examining this map. Redquark 18:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  So we're negotiating policy? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  No, I'm saying the map is NPOV as it stands, because your objection lies outside the substantive content it communicates. Redquark 14:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  Why show a single country's viewpoint? Isn't that a bias? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a historical map. You have to show someone's viewpoint; otherwise you won't be able to place the locations in a modern context. Because it says "Border claimed by PR China" rather than just "Border of China", it's at least trying to be neutral. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-19 15:11

• Keep. Key point it shows "Border claimed by P. R. China" and says so itself. If it said "Border of PRC" I suppose I could agree with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Say1988 (talk • contribs)
• Keep The claimed note keeps it from being true POV, and the reason for including it at all is to create a reference for the average viewer (some general idea of the Han borders in comparison to modern China that they might be more familiar with). Definetly keep as it is neither POV, nor is that claimed POV the subject of the map. Staxringold _talk^contribs 19:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep. Bad faith and superfluous nomination. It is a very minor issue, and I don't think the issue even exists with the current justification. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 11:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This is a non-issue. As was mentioned above (and is, by the way, quite obvious), the image itself notes that the borders are "claimed" by the PRC and therefore qualifies the POV as not originating with the artist or Wikipedia. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Just keep on meddling in politically biased stuff, to make Wikipedia unpopular together sooner. Kokot.kokotisko 10:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. --Randy Johnston (‽) 19:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above and the fact that at FPC it does not matter if a picture can be considered POV, it's use in articles is what would be the issue and that should be taken up there not here. As long as it has a legitimate use on a single article it qualifies at least under that criteria. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 08:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Joe I 11:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The word "claimed" rids me of all doubt. Political Mind 00:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Retained as Featured Picture Raven4x4x 06:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]