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Multiple Dates

Latest comment: 5 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

In the old version was a date listed for each region but now there is only one date and it's not even showing which region. That's lost data that is very relevant to the subject! Malachi (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I think I can add it back. Malachi (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Not going to add it back, becuase I don't want to undo all of Cyclonebiskit's work but I will add a little key. Malachi (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Okay, now that I'm comparing them, that is a lot of lost information. Some directs were completely different types of directs with different subjects! I'm going to ask him. Malachi (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Every date for directs shown in multiple regions were just dependent on timezone; some were aired at later dates with the same content (primarily an issue with South Korea if I remember right). I simplified it to the earliest airdate to avoid clutter. If I accidentally deleted presentations that had drastically different air dates please do add them back, or at least place a note within the date column so the information is retained. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:33, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon Direct?

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

There seems to be a Pokémon Direct listed for March 24th, 2017- the problem is, there is no actual Direct planned- I have not seen anything about it, the research I conducted proved fruitless, and the links provided to support such Direct bring up 'page not found' messages. No matter how much I would like a Pokémon Direct on that date, it appears to be devoid of fact. Thank you! NHarmonic (talk) 00:14, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@NHarmonic: I have gone ahead and removed the fake Direct listing. Thanks for bringing this up! ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Page revamp

Latest comment: 6 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

This has been long overdue, but I've finally revamped the page to make the broadcast listings more coherent and accessible to readers. All broadcasts are now listed in a single table and can be sorted by title (via hidden sorting templates, which will be explained below), date and year. This format allows for a very brief summary of what is covered in the direct (the "coverage" column) so there's a bit more substance. For the time being, I've left a lot of these coverage sections empty since my main goal was to restructure the page rather than provide additional content. During prior testing of a new format in 2015, myself and other editors determined that listing every game covered in a Direct would likely be overwhelming as dozens of titles can be mentioned in a single broadcast. The new formatting better complies with MOS and should help do away with some of the nonsense of excess {{N/A}} as well as "No presentations for [month/year]" placed throughout tables. Any "Treehouse" events listed were also removed as they are not Nintendo Direct broadcasts. Treehouse is a separate production and should not be included on this article accordingly.

Hidden sorting for broadcasts and coloring
"ntsh" numberBroadcast typeHTML color codeNotes
01Nintendo DirectNone
02Nintendo E3 Direct#DDDDDD
03Nintendo Direct Mini#FFCCCC
04Wii U Direct#88CCFFNo longer broadcast
05Specialized Nintendo Direct#FFF9C6A specialized direct is any broadcast that focuses on a specific game excluding Pokémon and Super Smash Bros.
06Pokémon Direct#0C4685White font used for WP:ACCESS; Pokémon Direct is given special coloring as it covers multiple games and has been running since 2013 whereas other Directs named after games are generally one-offs
07Super Smash Bros. Direct#7047E2No longer broadcast. White font used for WP:ACCESS; same reasoning as above
08Year of Luigi specials#99FF99No longer broadcast
09Nintendo 3DS direct#FF8888
10Nintendo Direct Micro#FF883E
11Nintendo Switch Direct#E70012White font used for WP:ACCESS

If anyone has any questions about the formatting or how to add rows, feel free to drop a line below. Best regards, ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

The year and date column should be combined so that they can properly use sort values and be sorted. -- ferret (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
@Ferret: Ran through and swapped them all to {{dts}} and combined the columns. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Game list

Latest comment: 5 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Should we add to the table a list of which games were covered in each Direct? Maybe in an expandable section? Kidburla (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I suggest not doing that because one; it's already covered in the links itself, and two; it just makes it messier and confusing to readers. I suggest talking with any admins that prefer their preferences.

@Sergecross73:, I reverted the change that assumed games covered in the specific Directs were not necessary for inclusion, any thoughts on if we should/shouldn't include a list of games that were featured in Directs: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 07:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Zacharyalejandro: Well, I am totally oppose of "not including the lists AT ALL", cuz it would be considerable. I just - from the beginning - wondered how to place them as a list. I took "creating a new article" at a high risk, cuz someone would alert me to merge it with the main article. Luckily, I found that someone (well, Kidburla) had added the list of Switch Presentation, and it hadn't be edited/undone/rolled back. So, this was my greenlight to start adding the highlights. As my first addition wasn't undone so fast, I did the others.

  • PS: I know that the mobile version doesn't support drop-down.
  • PPS: If the footnotes got too long (I was sure it would exceed aaa soon), that's not my fault, I didn't find any better method.Ww97 (talk) 14:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Zacharyalejandro: Please can you reply on this, so we can reach a consensus. I also saw your reply to my comment on your talk page, where you said it would be "silly" to add these games to the main table; can you explain why it would be "silly", if (as I proposed) we put them inside an expandable section that's hidden by default? In my opinion, this is better than creating a whole separate table, as a separate table means people need to look in two different places. Kidburla (talk) 09:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Proposition to split the list

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Greetings. The main table of the article is becoming very big and messy, that's why I propose to split the table into 3:

- Main Nintendo Direct presentations (the "real" Directs). - Mini/Micro Nintendo Direct presentations- Game or hardware specific presentations (special directs)

~ Josephvb10 (talk) 19:43, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed move to Nintendo Direct

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I see that this page has grown quite a bit in size. I'd like to propose moving it to Nintendo Direct in order for it to have sections such as History: for example, detailing changes in hosts, and how Nintendo started using the presentations as a partial-substitute for events like E3. These are just some suggestions, but as is, it's hard to justify this sort of content in a "List". What do you think? ~ Arkhandar (message me) 02:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

If there's enough content to write about, I support this. Provided there is still a List of Nintendo Directs somewhere. So maybe instead of moving this list, the info can be moved to a newly-created page called "Nintendo Directs" and the table is left behind on this page. --Bchill53 (talk) 00:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Do we cover game coverage based on a mobile title?

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Feh channels don't really cover as a 'Direct', doesn't it? Please correct me if I'm wrong and if references could be included for said thing? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 02:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. FEH Channel is not part of Nintendo Direct. ONR (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 13 February 2019

Latest comment: 5 years ago8 comments8 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 19:50, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Nintendo Direct presentations → Nintendo Direct – Per argument given by @Arkhandar above. This article covers the Nintendo Direct concept as a whole, and no longer serves simply as a list of presentations. ONR (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Support per nom, and per WP:CONCISE. This sort of thing comes up pretty frequently (e.g. Talk:Attack on Titan (TV series)#Requested move 18 January 2019) – not everything that starts out as some kind of very narrow list article stays that way, and this is especially true when we lack a main article on the topic (i.e., when the article should have been created as a generalized main article in the first place, not a "List of [trivia about topic here]" page. See also WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPLIT, etc. The gist: start general, and fork out specific sub-topical lists and other offshoots only when necessary, usually due to length.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
    PS: See also Talk:Winter sport#Requested move 29 January 2019, an attempt to go the other direction (moving general topic to a list article to reflect the temporary state of the content); so far has a 3:1 ratio of support for general article not list (including from the original move nominator.
  • Support as long as there is the expectation that more content is to be added and the table will likely be moved out onto its own page in the future. --Bchill53 (talk) 00:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support: I'll see what I can add as per Bchill53. –eggofreasontalk 01:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support: The topic has enough notoriety that it should simply have its own page. –thepiemaster51talk 17:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – Sufficient notability to not just be a list, but article requires more substance beyond the E3 prose and the broadcast listings. A history of production, if possible, would be an excellent addition. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:46, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support: Per others above; this article can hardly be considered a list anymore. Following the logic of the current title, we should also move YouTube Rewind to List of YouTube Rewind videos and Electronic Entertainment Expo to List of Electronic Entertainment Expo presentations. --Geolodus (talk) 08:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removing former presenters from the infobox

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I think the presenters section in the info box is getting too convoluted and most people listed don't even participate in Directs anymore. I think we should remove former participants and maybe create a section to list current and former participants. RedBlocks (talk) 07:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Late to this topic, but just in case you're still following this page, Redblocks, I went ahead and collapsed the infobox a little, putting former presenters behind an expand option. ATMarsdenTalk 08:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Nintendo Treehouse Live

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Could we add the Nintendo Treehouse Live streams? They are technically a part of Nintendo's Direct presentations, somewhat. Like with the Digital Events, and Nintendo Switch Presentation, I think we should include these, I assume they'll do it again this year. And getting rid of the Feh channels as well as those are irrelevant to the main Nintendo Direct presentations. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Nope, Treehouse Live does only some gameplay footage of upcoming games, not actually 'present's them. Also (since the launch of Nin-Dire), Treehouse Live never did a single footage as a "First Look", cuz it was already revealed in a direct/conference. (Speaking of games, why you didn't replay that "Game list" talk above?)Also, FEH channel could be considered an equivalent to Direct, no matter that it's based on a mobile title (you mentioned above), since we also have a Draglia Lost direct, counted as a "special" direct.Ww97 (talk) 23:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Nintendo Treehouse Live ?? (cont!)

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Whaaaaaaaat!?

@Zacharyalejandro: Per the above post, Treehouse Live has no relation to Nintendo Direct, also Treehouse Live is not mentioned on the "types" section. I would remove any mention to Treehouse Live in the list. (P.S.: Also, you edited on a horrible rush. So many mistakenly BOLDS are in the list.) Ww97 (talk) 21:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Super Mario Maker 2: A Legendary Update

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Does it count as a Direct? Not all directs have the word "direct" in their name. https://youtube.com/watch?v=x66vguSN8Rk Kidburla (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we should as it only provides four minutes of an update. If we listed every single update video that's not a Direct worth the main 15-35 minutes, this list would be super cluttered. I just don't think its necessary. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Region column unwieldy

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

This may be an aesthetic preference, and there may not be much to be done about it, but with the number of regions listed (Japan, North America, Europe, Australia, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan = 7), and spelled out in full, it really is starting to impair readability of the table for me, especially with that in many cases being the cause of rows spanning multiple text lines.

But I'm not sure there's a sensible remedy. Separating the regions out into separate columns with a "Yes"/"No" template would ease sortability, but probably not necessarily help readability all that much.

Does anyone else have an issue with this as it stands, or indeed any suggestions? ATMarsdenTalk 07:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I've taken a quick stab at it in my sandbox, and while I think the format is easier to look at, it's severely impeded by table length. Theoretically, a separate column per region works fine, but with the table being as long as it is, there is no easy way to keep the headings visible as you scroll the table. Full form is at User:ATMarsden/sandbox2, and I'm reproducing an extract here (references removed for talk page legibility):
List of Nintendo Direct presentations
Broadcast typeCoverageDateJPNAEUAUKOHKTWRef.
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate – Mr. Sakurai Presents "Terry Bogard"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DLCNovember 6, 2019 Refs
Feh ChannelFire Emblem HeroesDecember 4, 2019 Refs
Indie WorldIndie games for the Nintendo SwitchDecember 10, 2019 Refs
Pokémon DirectPokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DXJanuary 9, 2020 Refs
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate – Mr. Sakurai Presents "Byleth"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DLCJanuary 16, 2020 Refs
I'm still not sure. I don't think this is the solution, and it may be that I'm alone in thinking there's even an issue. ATMarsdenTalk 08:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion Criteria

Latest comment: 3 years ago14 comments3 people in discussion

There are a lot of entries on this list that I don't believe should be included. FEH Channel, Dragalia Digest, Pokémon Presents, Mr. Sakurai Presents, Indie World, etc. I also note that others have questioned at least some of these previously. I would propose that in order for us to include a video, it should meet at least one of the following criteria: it is published by Nintendo and has the word "Direct" as part of its branding; it is referred to as a Nintendo Direct by Nintendo, for instance through their archive of past Directs; or it is referred to as a Nintendo Direct by multiple reliable sources. As we have things now, this comes across more as a list of promotional videos published by Nintendo. Anyone have any thoughts? Lowercaserho (talk) 13:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Indie World, Pokemon Presents and Mr. Sakurai Presents should be kept as all of which have significant coverage and can be labelled as a direct-like presentation. Maybe Pokemon Presents should just be labelled as a pokemon direct but that should be voted on. However, the FEH and Dragalia presentations I think shouldn't be on here as there isn't any coverage besides YouTube videos, aren't really important and in the case of Dragalia barely even appear. CaptainGalaxy 14:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree that FEH and Dragalia should be removed. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:25, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed FEH channel and Dragalia Digest, since there seems to be a consensus on those, at least. For the others, my concern isn't whether or not they receive significant coverage, but on whether it's accurate to refer to them as Nintendo Directs. Maybe we could have a paragraph saying that Nintendo has used a similar format for other promotional videos (which could also then cover how some other games publishers have adopted the same idea, like State of Play, or Devolver Digital's "Devolver Direct" parody from E3) but I don't think it's right to include them in a list of Nintendo Directs. I especially think that Pokémon Presents doesn't belong on this list since those videos aren't even published by Nintendo, but rather are on the Pokémon YouTube channel. While Nintendo is a part owner of The Pokémon Company, they are definitely distinct entities, so I don't see how those videos belong on this list. Lowercaserho (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Seems like Pokémon Presents and Mr. Sakurai Presents are Direct spinoffs of sorts. They have a nearly identical format but as you say they aren't true directs since they're not in the Nintendo archive. Given how closely related they appear, I'd say it's worth including them but not in the main list. Maybe a sub-section along the lines of "Similar broadcasts"? ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd say leave both of them as is. Besides the fact they are both directs of sort just with a different names, but (and this is just speculation), these may be replacements to the originals. As in, Pokémon Presents likely replace Pokémon Directs and Mr. Sakurai Presents replace Super Smash Bros. Directs. But again that's just speculation. CaptainGalaxy 16:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
We can't write articles based on speculation, though, only on what reliable sources have to say. Your speculation may well be entirely correct, but unless we have actual sourced evidence for it, we can't use it as the basis for our editing decisions. We're currently working on something of an "I know it when I see it" approach, which runs into problems when different people have differing opinions. That's why I wanted to start off by defining a set of inclusion criteria and then making cuts/additions based on whatever we decide. If you don't like the criteria I suggested, do you have a different set of criteria of your own that you think would be better? I'm not opposed to a more inclusive list provided it can be well-defined and supported. I'm also not opposed to adding a second "similar broadcasts" lists, but again, I think we would need to figure out a decent set of inclusion criteria for it. Lowercaserho (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I see that there's not really any appetite for change here, so I'll mostly leave things be, but at the very least, can I get some feedback on Pokémon Presents and specifically the fact that the videos aren't even published by Nintendo? To me, that is the most egregious inclusion, and nobody has addressed that one specific point. Lowercaserho (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Captain Galaxy: Since you reverted my change, can you please discuss the issue here? I'm happy to try to come to some sort of consensus, but I can't do that without discussion. Lowercaserho (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
@Lowercaserho: Hi, I'm sorry about reverting your edit without proper discussion, that's my fault, it just didn't feel like we reached a proper consensus on Pokemon Presents. It is in my belief that we should keep the presentation on the list for the following reasons. 1)Pokemon Presents, while not published by Nintendo, are still support and covered by Nintendo as seen here, even if it is a mobile game. 2) Nearly all games and news presented so far being for the Switch, with the exceptions being Pokémon Smile and Pokémon Go. 3) Pokemon Presents have more announcements than the other presentations we removed from the leaves. 4) Finally multiple sources and fans classify the presentation under the Direct umbrella [5] [6] [7]. CaptainGalaxy 15:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

To quickly address your points in order: 1) Lots of games are covered by Nintendo. Even a quick look at [8] shows a bunch of games that are obviously not Nintendo, like Fortnite and NBA 2K21. 2) I don't see what this proves. Lots of games are release for the Switch. Lots of these games have announcement videos. 3) Again, what does this prove? This article is specifically about Nintendo Direct; it isn't a list of videos which announced games for the Switch. 4) The Express is not a reliable source (multiple discussions about it being unreliable linked on the perennial sources list). I'm not familiar with SwitchWatch so can't say for sure if they're reliable or not, though even if they are, the page you link only says that Pokémon Presents is "similar to" Nintendo Direct. Ultimately, I come back to my desire to have a definite set of inclusion criteria. We could go back and forth forever saying "I think this should be included" and "I don't think this should be included" and never get anywhere. Since the "I know it when I see it" approach is failing (as demonstrated by our disagreeing), we clearly need something more rigorous. I've already given what I think our criteria should be; can you give yours? Lowercaserho (talk) 18:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

While yes most game are covered on Nintendo are not Nintendo games, the pokemon games are either exclusively for Nintendo consoles or Nintendo consoles + mobile, proving these are exclusively Nintendo's products, as Nintendo are publishers of Game Freak's works and owns 32% of the pokemon company. Also one more thing to back up my case to keep Pokemon Presents on the list, I created a redirect for it back in June and has recieved at least 1,879 pageviews since it was created. This may not sound like good point that proves anything until you look at the other redirects I made for direct types that were removed. Both Dragalia Digest and Feh Channel gained both 9 and 7 pageviews respectively. This evidently proves people do search this up, so I'd recommend keeping it on the page. I realise now this doesn't prove the point that well for Presents being here, I just think with the pageviews the redirect gets, we'd need to do something with it, IMO by leaving it as is. CaptainGalaxy 23:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
See, to my mind, if we have people who are actually searching for Pokémon Presents, then that just makes it even more important that the information that we have about it is accurate and not misleading. Again, it seems as if we're going around in circles. You obviously feel one way and I obviously feel differently, and just restating our arguments at each other isn't going to get us anywhere. I do still think it would be helpful if you could tell me what your preferred inclusion criteria would be, but failing that, do you have any ideas for ways we could try to progress towards compromise/consensus? Lowercaserho (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Captain Galaxy: Are you still interested in trying to reach some sort of compromise or consensus on this? I'd much prefer to work with you to reach something we can both be content with rather than just making my own unilateral changes again, but I can only do that if we carry on discussing. Lowercaserho (talk) 12:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Citation Replacement

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This may not matter but I think it's about time we change the citations on the article, by which I mean removing any citations referencing YouTube as it is unreliable. If it isn't possible for specific examples then we keep the YouTube references, however I think we should change the citations to more reliable ones like Nintendo Life or IGN. I only bring it up here to make sure this is the right thing to do. CaptainGalaxy 21:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

YouTube is not inherently unreliable. It should be considered as a medium through which content is communicated and not as an author or publisher of that content. This means that the reliability of videos on YouTube depends on who published them. Videos made by reputable sources that would otherwise be considered reliable are no less reliable just for being on YouTube. In this case, I would consider a link to the YouTube video of a Direct to be a primary source that establishes the uncontroversial fact of its own existence. There's no real harm in adding secondary sources on top of this, but I personally wouldn't consider it a priority, nor would I want to see the primary sources removed entirely. Lowercaserho (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Where is the Nintendo Switch Presentation?

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

It says on the color legend that bright red equals Nintendo Switch Presentation, and yet I don't see it anywhere on the list. Red4Smash (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

It's not a Nintendo Direct. I remember watching some people sighing of relief due to it being a live presentation after so long. Serouj2000 (talk) 07:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Move List of presentations to a separate article.

Latest comment: 10 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The list of Nintendo Direct presentations in this article is getting pretty long. I propose that the list be moved to its own article so that it does not take up any more space than it needs to. SMT2002 (talk) 04:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Years ago in 2019, when this page was just the list and moved to Nintendo Direct, it was done so based partially on the idea of additional sections like one for the history of the series. However, since that hasn't happened, I'd say this page still is predominantly about the list despite the name change. As such, I feel the move would be redundant until this page has those additions that would make it substantial enough to justify its existance as a page without the list. ThePieMaster51 (talk) 05:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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