Talk:Volleyball/Archive 2

• Part of the history for this page is now at Talk:Volleyball/pagehistory; see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/6-2. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Volleyball/Archive1: 13 August, 2004 to 29 February, 2007

Removed begining paragraph because it was too POV

Volleyball can be a active sport. Because many offensive plays involve contacting the ball above the top of the net, vertical jumping is an athletic skill emphasized in volleyball. If a player touches the net or stepping over the line while the volleyball is in play, the opponents will get the serve and the point.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drgnaw (talk • contribs).

Realistically, I don't think that's too PoV. I have re-added the sentence and included a reference to a paper. --Pak21 17:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC) The volleyball hall of fame states that Volleyball is the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer. While it has not flourished in the united states as it has in european and other foreign countries, it remains second to soccer through-out europe as seen in all the professional leagues developed there.

beginning

What exactly, is a "kill?" I see it on a lot of statistics as something separate from a point and I have no idea what it is. I was surprised to see no mention of it on here. I'm assuming its another name for something already listed, but that would be good to include this as an alternate name for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.97.253.2 (talk • contribs).

See Volleyball jargon. Unfortunately, people have trashed that page again by adding in huge amounts of non-notable jargon but kill is still there. --Pak21 08:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

A kill is a spike/hit that earns a point. A point in general can be earned in various different ways, a kill being only one of those ways.

I'm starting to feel that it may be time to ask for semi-protection for this page, as almost every edit seems to either be vandalism by an anonymous IP, or a reversion to undo that vandalism. Any opinions? Cheers --Pak21 08:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not as bad as some (suffers vandalism only several times per day) but yes, with no content edits for a while, it might be worth it for some time. Icemuon 10:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, just looking at my watchlist after being gone for a day and seeing this page being vandalised constantly leads me to agree completely with Pak21. I'm in favor of semiprotection.. Cheers, PaddyM 03:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested Cheers --Pak21 08:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, that got rejected pretty quickly. Guess we'll just have keep on watching it. Cheers, PaddyM 13:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

A kill is when you hit or spike the ball and it hits the floor on the other side of the net with no contact from the other side

or the other team shanks the ball on one contact. =]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.170.49 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC) 

I was thinking about changing the lead of this article in three ways1) There is a redudancy in the ways to score a point. According to the rules a team scores a point if a) balls hits ground b) opponent makes fault (this includes not bringing the ball back correctly!) c) the opponent gets a penalty (for behavioral reasons). I propose we mention either these three or skip the last one. but since the third possibility mentioned now is part of the second I propose we at least strike that one.2) There is not really a point in mentioning that vertical jumping is part of volleyball. I would personnaly never explain volleyball in two sentences to anybody and then choose to mention the fact that the athletic skill of vertical jumping is very important. (if we put this down here, it may for example also warrant the inclusion of the fact that a lot of volleyball players at high levels are very long because the game involves hitting the ball above the net.) I opt for removal.3) Lets include here the concept of 'to volley', and specifcy, not necessarily in too many words the 'way' the ball is supposed to be touched, which is integral for the sport.If there are no strong objections I will go for editing. Thanks for your time! -Catneven 08:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree the lead probably isn't optimal. Perhaps if we look to similar sports articles like Association football or Baseball we might find ways we might change, and even expand, the lead here. The goal is to provide a basic understanding in simple terms what the game is to someone who may never have seen it before. AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 16:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I opt for using a style like the one used in basketball. Seems more comparable, because it is also a small-team, indoor, ballsport and I like the style of of the lead.

changed the lead, anybody is welcome to contribute!-Catneven 09:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

In order to get this articles quality up, I propose we are going to employ a structure as in soccer, which is a featured article.-Catneven 09:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I propose we lose the major part of the strategy and technique part and put that into a secondary article, covering only the basics in the main article.-Catneven 10:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The word is "separated"

what's the point of specifying that here. You could just have changed it, unsigned user. Thanks for the help anyway.-Catneven 00:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

We're working on creating a section of Wikipedia for the rules of volleyball for the Volleyball WikiProject Each rule will have a separate sub-article (like Baseball rules. At some point, we'll take the majority of "rules of the game" and split it into the specific rule article. If anyone thinks this is a bad idea, or if you think it's a good one, please discuss it here. BrianZ^(talk) 01:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a good idea, in my opinion but the change of one of this article's paragraphs should be discussed here.-Catneven 09:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

We also need to distinguish at what level and with what organization these rules apply. At the moment, some of the statements indicate that these are rules at all levels when in fact they are not. Vbofficial 03:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that ties in nicely with the Volleyball in Xxxx discussion below. The main volleyball (and Volleyball rules) article should reflect the most widespread ruleset, that being the FIVB rules, for NPOV. US high school or college rule differences, being simply a regional variation specific to an age group, could be handled in the Volleyball in the United States article (which needs to be expanded/cleaned/etc).AUTiger » talk 03:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Somewhere along the way (probably while I was on a wikivacation) the link to the sub-article Volleyball in the United States, to which the most US-centric content of earlier versions of this article was segregated, was lost. Curious about ideas for the best place/way to reintroduce the link as well as those for similar articles like Volleyball in Poland, Volleyball in Spain, and Volleyball in France. Perhaps in the subsections of History, or a separate subsection under history after the Olympics sub-section. Thoughts? AUTiger » talk 22:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea and as part of the Volleyball WikiProject, I'm trying to make the entire scope of Volleyball more global on WP, (including bios of top professional teams and players in the world, etc.) not just USA volleyball. This article needs a major overhaul and I applaud anyone willing to start it. One way to integrate the "Volleyball in <country>" links is to wiki link them in a table of popularity of the sport in the specific country. However, this might be too much since there are hundreds of countries and a lot of research must be done as these rankings are not officially published. We could start with an infobox with all countries with the Volleyball in <country>" article and label it in the See Also section. Just my humble opinion. I actually haven't even thought about revamping the article or looked at it in detail lately, other than to control vandalism. BrianZ^(talk) 22:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Coincidently, I have the list of countries with a "Volleyball in <country" article: Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Croatia, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Montenegro, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey, Netherlands, Philippines, and The United States. BrianZ^(talk) 23:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I only found "Volleyball in <country>" for France, Poland, and Spain. Am I missing something here? Wiredcoach 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I also agree that there should be a link in this general "Volleyball" article to "Volleyball in the United States". I think that a lot of people searching "volleyball" on Wikipedia will actually want to know about Volleyball in the U.S. AUTiger, maybe you could find the most appropriate place to put it back in. Wiredcoach 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I just checked and the link to the US article is in here, at the bottom of the Volleyball in the Olympics subsection of the History section. I don't know that that is the best place for it, but I didn't really see any better spot in a review of History (which is my first instinct). AUTiger » talk 02:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The FIVB estimates that 1 in 6 people in the world participate in or observe indoor volleyball, beach volleyball, or backyard (recreational) volleyball - Surely a citation is needed here (and even with one I think this needs to be more specific - there may be many people who watch beach volleyball on TV but have no interest in the sport!)

More specifically this is a meaningless and unreliable figure, a) because it comes from a governing body who have a vested interest in the figure and b) because it is a speculation without hard facts and therefore does not belong in an encyclopaedia.

Greynolds999 17:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

A quick Yahoo search shows that many MANY sites use the EXACT phrase we used. So they most likely took the line from this article. Considering I couldn't find it on the FIVB site itself, I'd call it untrue. I have removed this line. Seek Bar 01:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

According to this site, the FIVB did make the claim, but backed off from it when pressed. Rracecarr 02:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

There is NO citation whatsoever in the Origin of Volleyball section. A lot of the information found there can be confirmed here. I'd cite it myself, but it's semi-protected and I'm a new user. Seek Bar 01:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I'm a bit hesitant about the source you mention, so I added two other sources which look a bit more official. I also removed the protection. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 05:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, first Yahoo link, and I trust about.com. Anyway, thanks for the help. Seek Bar 00:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A block is not counted as a hit (contact). If the ball is blocked, the next touch actually counts as contact number 1. Also, if the ball is blocked, the same player can contact the ball again.Skdrew 02:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

See note 2 under "Errors and faults". --Pak21 06:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

As of 18.06.2012 there's no "Errors and faults" section, and the block contact rule is not mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam's hand (talk • contribs) 19:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

This string of edits in May changed the long-established use of British English in this article to American English. WP:ENGVAR suggests that, in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise (which I don't think there is here), we should use the form of English used by the first major contributor. What would people's views be on changing this back? Cheers --Pak21 08:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The primary argument I can see for it being in American English is that the sport originated in the US which could be considered a "strong national tie". AUTiger » talk 14:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Accepted, but it's now much more a worldwide sport than an American one; the FIVB rulebook uses "metre". --Pak21 14:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

While I would prefer AmEng (per the origination arg.), its not something I had felt so strongly about as to make the change from BrEng. The spelling variants in this article are a pretty trivial issue. AUTiger » talk 15:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Volleyball was called mintonette before it became volleyball, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.190.76 (talk) 22:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It'd be nice to have some insight into the motive and reason for the more relatively recent changes to the rules.

--76.66.193.188 (talk) 03:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The motive has in general been to make volleyball a more spectator-friendly sport. The change to rally scoring was made to make the length of games more predictable for TV purposes, and to make the scoring easier to follow for spectators. The let serve, and looser rules about how to contact the ball were introduced to encourage spectacular rallies, which presumably makes the game more fun to watch. I don't know quite how to cite this, but FIVB makes its interest in attracting spectators quite explicitly clear. Rracecarr (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

On the rationale for the changes, here is what the 2008 NCAA Rulebook says:""The committee recognized that ball handling judgment was, at times, inconsistent both withina match and from contest to contest. Not only were those inconsistencies frustrating forplayers and coaches, whistles for subtle infractions discernible only by the referees areconfusing to fans. With increased television exposure, it is important to attempt to developball handling guidelines that are understandable by typical sports fans, not just the volleyballcommunity. The basic tenet is that the excitement of the sport of volleyball can be increasedwith fewer whistles for minor ball handling infractions and increased leniency on particularlyathletic plays that may not result in a perfectly executed set by traditional standards, butprovides a continuation of play." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.22.68 (talk) 06:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Has the lift rule been abolished? I have just finished Nationals in New Zealand and was informed that the rule is now referred to "catch and throw" / "caught and thrown". We need to update the page to show this. Kennedy ^(talk) 09:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

what is the standarad popsicle height for saftey laws? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.137 (talk) 12:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

From the section on rules for the Libero: " ... makes an 'attacking hit', defined as any shot struck while the ball is entirely above the top of the net."

First, the term (as used in the FIVB rule book) is "attack hit" not "attacking hit." Further, the definition of "attack hit" is given incorrectly. The restriction on the height of the ball is is not part of the definition of an attack hit. The rule prohibits the Libero from making a hit which is BOTH 1) an attack hit AND 2) higher than the top of the net.

Corrected wording: " ... makes an "attack hit" (defined as any action which directs the ball towards the opponents, with the exception of service and block), while the ball is entirely higher than the top of the net.

The parenthetical definition of "attack hit" is taken directly from the FIVB rule book, grammatically modified to fit the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a parenthetical comment on the pronunciation of libero. As someone new to watching higher-level volleyball, it was confusing when the article said to pronounce it LI-ber-o but everybody I heard actually pronounced it li-BEAR-o. Fool4jesus (talk) 11:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Rather than receiving a broad treatment on the subject, the casual reader gets bogged down in the minutiae of strategy, fundamentals, Olympics info and rules. This article is currently at a massive 48K, whereas the guidelines suggest 30K.

Please make this article more readable and chop it up into separate pages.

--Jasonschock (talk) 22:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Since your suggestion received absolutely no response, I've removed the "split" tags from the article. If you feel strongly about this, go ahead and be bold and split them up, and see what the response is. If you do, be sure that there's a link to the new sub-article somewhere in this one. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 21:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty new at watching volleyball, but I see an awful lot of servers use what looks to me like a jump serve. Are these really something else, or is this line wrong? I find it hard to believe the jump serve is less popular than, say, the sky ball serve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.49.254 (talk • contribs)

Your impression is correct. This was an uncaught bit of vandalism from 7 October, which I've now corrected. Thanks for the pointer! --Pak21 (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note that this page has now been semi-protected for three months, which should deal with the silly levels of IP vandalism we've been seeing... thanks to everyone who tidied up the mess :-) --Pak21 (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The semi-protection expired, we got vandalised a lot, the semi-protection is now back (indefinitely). Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 18:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

To me, the "Errors and faults" section is a particularly weak part of this article. It's just a list, without any attempt to be encyclopedic prose. I've had a quick go at working this section into the "Game play" section, which can be seen here. The main weakness I see of this approach is that it lacks the precision that the current version has, but I'm not too worried about that: the article should be a general introduction to volleyball for the general reader, not a detailed breakdown of the rulebook. Comments welcome! Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 11:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Given the lack of any objections, I've now done this. Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 09:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I like it. One thing that would be really useful (to me anyway) is if this prose discussion section had links to an actual volleyball rulebook at appropriate places. That would a perfect combination of overview and links to drill down into selected details. As I noted above, I am really confused about what the rule is for where players have to stand. I believe that it's a "rotation" but they are certainly (in the VA state tournament game I went to last night, for example) not standing in a nicely ordered 3-and-3 setup like in the picture. It would be great to have the place where that is mentioned link to an actual rulebook (is there one that can be picked? I don't even know that) rule regarding the order. Of course, if I were to do it myself, I would learn alot about the rules :) - but I don't really have time ATM. Thanks for your consideration. Fool4jesus (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words :-) The FIVB rulebook is available from the FIVB site, and I agree references should be added where appropriate; for positioning, you want Section 7.4 and Diagram 4 (I don't believe there are any significant differences between FIVB rules and any other organisations on this front). However... what's in the rulebook is essentially an algorithm for determining whether a fault has occurred or not, and I'm not sure it is particularly useful for the general reader in trying to understand what they see in a typical volleyball game which, as you point out, doesn't always look like a simple "three at the front and three at the back". What would be great here would be a site from a coach giving diagrams for each rotation in a 5-1 setup, but I don't know of one (or I'd use it for my coaching!) Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 09:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the link and, in general, all your hard work on the volleyball article. You have taught me a lot about the sport. If I can dig (haha!) up some time, I'll try and add some references like this also. Fool4jesus (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Add the greek article el:Πετοσφαίριση.87.202.35.32 (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the pointer. --Pak21 (talk) 11:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Can someone add wallyball to the list of related sports? I'd do it but the page is locked...68.44.106.58 (talk) 06:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It's listed on the Volleyball variations page; is there a reliable source showing that wallyball is in some way more significant than any of those other variations? We don't want that whole list moving back onto this page... Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Volleyball also teaches good structure,posture and great skill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.18.86.113 (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

In the Skills section that discusses types of attacks, an Off-speed hit is also known as a "roll-shot."

A Roll-shot is a hit where the player does not hit the ball hard, reducing it's speed for improved control and placement. Additionally, this confuses the opponent's defense; similar to a baseball pitcher throwing a change-up. A roll-shot is the most common form of a tip in beach volleyball.

I'm proposing amending the section to include this terminology and a more accurate description of an off-speed hit/roll-shot.Bhsoccer10199 (talk) 22:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Which reliable source will you be citing? Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 23:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

This is common knowledge amongst the beach volleyball community 71.196.210.232 (talk) 06:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. "Common knowledge" is not acceptable for inclusion. In this is really common knowledge, finding a reliable source which has written on the subject should be easy. Could you point me to one? And getting technical... there are off-speed shots which are not roll shots - a roll shot is something hit with a lot of topspin (hence the "roll"), whereas an off speed shot is anything hit at less than full power: this could be a roll shot, but could also be open hand shots where placement is preferred over power, without necessarily adding large amounts of topspin. And neither of those shots are tips, which are shots made with a closed hand (or as close as you can get in beach eg knuckles). No, I don't have a source for any of that either, but this is why Wikipedia requires reliable sources, rather than just you and I stating opinions. Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 10:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Very well, I will verify this common knowledge. According to Volleyball: Steps to Success‎ by Barbara L. Viera, Bonnie Jill Ferguson, which published its 3rd edition in 2006, states that "an off-speed shot, also called a half-speed or roll-shot, is another technique that keeps defenders and blockers off guard" (http://books.google.com/books?id=mlysGLZB9YYC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false, pg 73). From the book Volleyball: Skills and Drills by Kinda Lenberg and the American Volleyball Coaches Association (AVCA), the authors thoroughly discuss different types of shots. On page 63 of their 2006 edition, they have an entire section on the roll-shot; "Roll (or off-speed shot). The roll is seen at all levels of play and which is used to keep the defense on its toes. In the roll (also called an off speed shot)..." (http://books.google.com/books?id=OLaGuKVwaKMC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false).

In regards to your technical rebuttal, yes there are many types of off-speed shots that are not roll shots. However, based on the description listed on the actual volleyball page, "the player does not hit the ball hard, reducing its speed and thus confusing the opponent's defense," this would be called a roll shot and it is additionally used to reduce speed and improve placement to a spot on the court that the opponent cannot defend. cheers Bhsoccer10199 (talk) 06:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the picture of a jump server in the serving section: the player is a former middle blocker from UC Irvine by the name of Aaron Harrell. I just thought it would be worth identifying the player in the caption. Despite the blurry nature of the photograph, I'm sure its him because I played against him for quite some time.

raju singh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.185.68 (talk) 16:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

"The outside hitter is usually the most consistent hitter on the team." I disagree. Due to the differences in blocks encountered by the three offensive players, I'm not sure that it is possible to compare "consistency." To some extent, the statement is true at lower levels of play. But, by university level or higher, the comparison is difficult to make.

"Inaccurate first passes usually result in a set to the outside hitter rather than middle or opposite."Again, I disagree on the grounds that this is true only at lower levels of play. At higher levels, opposite hitters are tasked with dealing with bad passes and the resulting slow tempo sets.

Generally, my understanding is that the outside hitter is tasked with hitting faster, more diverse sets than the opposite, but not as quick tempo sets as the middle blockers. This is evidenced by their relatively shorter frame.

"Opposite hitters or Right side hitters carry the defensive workload for a volleyball team in the front row."More so than middle blockers? Opposites do add much value as blockers, but I'm not sure that such a categorical statement can be justified.

"Their primary responsibilities are to put up a well formed block against the opponents Outside Hitters and serve as a backup setter."Not always true at higher levels. Yes they have to put up a block, but they also have to deal with transition points and bad sets resulting from poor passing that eliminates the possibility of fast tempo sets. Additionally, most international teams use their liberos for backup setting. Can you picture Milkovic setting?I agree with the previous poster - I more often see liberos serving as the back-up setter in college VB (what I watch). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crossbarr (talk • contribs) 19:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

"Sets to the opposite usually go to the right side of the antennae."Unless I'm understanding this wrong, this is just plain false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.120.12 (talk) 20:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

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Strom2 (talk) 20:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The ball is usually played with the hands or arms, but players can legally strike or push (short contact) the ball with any part of the body except during the serve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vballgurl185 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

During the play the net itself and bottom can be touched as long as it doesnt inferr with the play of the game. The tope of the net (the tape) can not be touched under any circumstances. 2013bstinson (talk) 19:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The line under the net can not be crossed at any time during play. 2013bstinson (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The libero hasto wear the most contrasting color oppsosite her/his other teamates, making it so they stand out and can be reconized.2013bstinson (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, your last two points agree with what is already in the article. — Bility (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Here are some rules corrections.

"# causing the ball to touch the ground outside the opponents' court or without first passing over the net;"This description can be shortened to, "causing the ball to touch the ground outside the court" (omitting "opponent's"), which is both simpler and more correct. To the best of my knowledge, no ruling committee at any level has ever determined it to be an "out" fault for the ball to contact one's own side of the court. In particular, blocking an opponent's attack hit under the net onto one's own side of the court is simply "in." See, for example, the following references:

http://www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/Documents/FIVB.2011-2012.VB.RulesOfTheGame.Eng.TextfileOnly.2.1.1.pdf (page 19, rule 8.4)

http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 15, rule 11.4)

http://usavolleyball.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/16086/2009-11_DCR_indoor_final.pdf (page 32, rule 8.4.1)

"# net foul: touching the net during play."This rule citation is out-dated. Touching the net is now legal according to the most common international and national 6-person rules committees, including FIVB and USAV. See, for example:

http://www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/Documents/FIVB.2011-2012.VB.RulesOfTheGame.Eng.TextfileOnly.2.1.1.pdf (page 23, rules 11.3.1 & 11.3.2)

http://usavolleyball.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/16086/2009-11_DCR_indoor_final.pdf (page 38, rule 11.3.1)

Note that the FIVB has not yet legalized players launching themselves into the net during doubles competition:

http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 17, rule 15.3)

"The game is played on a volleyball court 18 meters (59 feet) long and 9 meters (29.5 feet) wide...."Note that court size is no longer uniform. Please correct the paragraph beginning with the above to read as follows:"The indoor game is typically played on a volleyball court 18 meters (59 feet) long and 9 meters (29.5 feet) wide, divided into two 9 m × 9 m halves by a one-meter (40-inch) wide net placed so that the top of the net is 2.43 meters (7 feet 11 5/8 inches) above the center of the court for men's competition, and 2.24 meters (7 feet 4 1/8 inches) for women's competition (these heights are varied for veterans and junior competitions). Sand doubles competition is typically played on a smaller court measuring 16 meters long and 8 meters wide."Reference:

http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 8, rule 1.1.1)

B6miller (talk) 08:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Please add the following picture as an example of a "jump set" under the setting section.

Skipshearer (talk) 04:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 23:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

The topic of Sand Volleyball is not mentioned a lot and or if any in this article. I was wondering if the same rules apply for Beach as they do for indoor volleyball?

Mookielynn18 (talk) 03:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the opening statement about it being an Olympic sport - of course it is such, but the previous phrasing stated 'is an Olympic team sport' which suggest to me it is primarily or entirely played in conjunction with the Olympics, clearly not the case. There is a section on the sport in the Olympics in section one anyway. Based on other sports articles, it could have something in the intro about it being played in the Olympics but I'm not sure how to phrase it. Bertcocaine (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Added "It has been a part of the official program of the Summer Olympic Games since 1964." to the first graf. AUTiger » talk 07:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Attack Coverage is a very important component of volleyball offense that is not mentioned at all on this page. It probably warrants at least a mention in the 'Attack' paragraph of the 'Skills' section or in the 'Game Play' paragraph of the 'Rules of the Game' section, as the action of the other 5 players on the court while the attacker makes his or her play on the ball. Tony said (talk) 02:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Add more information on the libero topic.- The libero and replacing player may only enter or leave the court by the side line in front of their team bench between the attack line and the end line. - Replacements must only take place while the ball is out of play and before the whistle for service. At the start of a set, the libero can’t enter the court until the second referee has checked the starting line-up.

• retrieved from http://www.strength-and-power-for-volleyball.com/volleyball-rules-libero.html *

(Gaughanw (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC))

edit request in the first paragraph around the rules summary.It states in the first paragraph “they may touch the ball as many as three times” This is open to interpretation and it should be replaced This should make it clear to non-experienced players that one individual cannot play all three touches.

The complete rules are extensive. But simply, play proceeds as follows: A player on one of the teams begins a 'rally' by serving the ball (tossing or releasing it and then hitting it with a hand or arm), from behind the back boundary line of the court, over the net, and into the receiving team's court. The receiving team must not let the ball be grounded within their court. The team may touch the ball up to 3 times but individual players may not touch the ball twice consecutively. . Typically, the first two touches are used to set up for an attack, an attempt to direct the ball back over the net in such a way that the serving team is unable to prevent it from being grounded in their courtSmackland (talk) 17:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Done --Tgeairn (talk) 04:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

(Smackland (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)). A common fault that should be addedFoot Fault - where the foot crosses over the boundry line when serving or at the net where the foot crosses the centre lineSmackland (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Done Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 18:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

The article states that only one Libero player is allowed per team. However, Beginning in 2008 for FIVB competitions, and beginning in the 2011-2012 for USAV competitions, two liberos are allowed per team, although only one may play at a time. In fact, FIVB rules _require_ two liberos to be designated if a team has more than 12 players on the roster.

FIVB refernce: http://www.fivb.ch/thegame/TheGame_VolleyballRules.htmUSAV reference: http://usavolleyball.org/news/2011/03/09/usav-rules-commission-meeting-highlights/41322

The article also states that the rule allowing Liberos to serve has trickled down to juniors competitions. That is not entirely true. USAV rules do not allow Liberos to serve in any sanctioned event, although AAU Volleyball does allow Liberos to serve. Many USAV regions allow Liberos to serve in events that do not serve as USAV National qualifiers.

65.182.45.34 (talk) 04:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Question: Could you please suggest a new wording? --Six words (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Those monks are not in Sikkim, India. They are in Pharping, Nepal. I lived with them and taught them last year for 3 months and recognise a number of them by name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lowkey kiwi (talk • contribs) 09:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't get rotation and the required formation at the time of the serve. I mean, I get the simple 3+3 diagram shown in the article, which is what we all use when we play pick-up games at the gym. But when I see NCAA games on TV, I see nothing like that. I see what looks like 3 people in the front standing directly in front of each other, a person or two behind or on the side and a server.

Now, I can understand that they can start in one position and end up in another. But I've watched carefully to try and see how the players might start in the simple 3+3 formation and end up the way they actually play - and I have not been able to figure out how the rules given in the article ("The area '1' player must be behind the area '2' player and to the right of the area '6' player," etc.) are actually played out. Let's say you are an outside hitter; do you really start out in the back line and move to the front after the ball is served? I am not doubting the rules as given here are correct; I just think it would be beneficial to give an example or two of how positions and rotation really work out in a high-level game. Thanks. Fool4jesus (talk) 02:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

hi. i suggest that when you watch a game, try to identify the positions of the players beforehand and watch how they "rotate." the area positions do not correspond to their "other" positions. for example, a front-line outside hitter at each serve will first have to be at his/her area position. say he/she starts out at area 3 or 2, after the serve he/she'll have scuffle to the outside hitter spot, which is area number 4.a back-line player cannot block or attack at the front-line, so he/she has no business moving to the front.hope it helps.--202.138.168.59 (talk) 11:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)JAE

When you put a spin on the ball when you serve it you will contain more of a down ward motion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimberly.zimmel (talk • contribs)

The big advantage of this system is that the setter always has 3 hitters to vary sets with. If the setter does this well, the opponent's middle blocker may not have enough time to block with the outside hitter, increasing the chance for the attacking team to make a point.

should read :The big advantage of this system is that when the setter is back row, setter has 3 hitters to vary sets with. If the setter does this well, the opponent's middle blocker may not have enough time to block with the outside hitter, increasing the chance for the attacking team to make a point. When the setter is front row, it is similar to a 4-2 and setter only has two hitters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcmarti (talk • contribs) 12:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Might also point out that, when the setter is in the front row, he/she can act as a hitter, which also tends to freeze a blocker. Mfenger (talk) 21:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

in the 5-1 system, a setter almost always has four attackers: two or three front-row hitters and one or two back-row hitters.--202.138.168.59 (talk) 10:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)JAE

Change opening line to: Volleyball, sometimes known as indoor volleyball to distinguish it from beach volleyball, is a team sport..."

58.7.145.197 (talk) 03:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. My sense of it is that this article is about volleyball in general, including its derivatives, so the lede should reflect that. Rivertorch (talk) 04:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

101.60.118.13 (talk) 16:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. No request. ⋘HueSatLum ? ❢⋙ 18:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

The article currently says this:

Furthermore, a libero is not allowed to serve, according to international rules, with the exception of the NCAA women's volleyball games, where a 2004 rule change allows the libero to serve, but only in a specific rotation. That is, the libero can only serve for one person, not for all of the people for whom he or she goes in.

That last part, the gender-netural "he or she" is unnecessary. There is no libero serve in NCAA men's volleyball. It's conducted under the same rules as international volleyball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.130.14 (talk • contribs) 12 March 2013

Done That whole paragraph needs a full copy edit as it's confusing to read, but I believe your request as worded constitutes a minor edit. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually the person that started taylor fairs volleyball was a woman contrary to popular belief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjohn017 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Volleyball actually started because people were really bored and thought it would be fun to bounce a ball back and forth without letting it touch the ground. William Morgan didn't do anything.

Sjohn017 (talk) 16:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The libero cannot play in front row and has to sub the middle blocker.

Caglasen92 (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: The libero is discussed throughout this article, so I don't know exactly what you would like to see changed. Please be more specific about the change you're requesting in the form of "Change X to Y". --ElHef (Meep?) 22:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I notice that some captions in the "Skills" section are "A player making a jump serve" or "3 players performing a block". while others say "A woman making a forearm pass or bump." and "Woman going for a dig." None say "man".

The distinction smells fiantly sexist to me, and I'd like to get rid of it. While there are some differences between men's and women's volleyball, the illustrated techniques are universal. I'd prefer to replace "woman" with "player" in the two figures, but using a gender-specific term to refer to the players in the other pictures would be an alternative.

If it's desired to describe the pictured players in more detail, the alt text would be the right place.

(The internment camp picture relates to the social aspects of volleyball, where the gender of the players is more relevant.)

71.41.210.146 (talk) 02:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Done Actually, one picture down in Strategy says "men", but your point is taken. I doubt any of our, if you'll pardon the term, fellow editors were intentionally sexist; this is probably just a case of systemic bias. Thanks for pointing it out. Celestra (talk) 04:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)Yes it is right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.119.215 (talk) 19:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Please see User:2014 PVA 1st Season and move to mainspace if appropriate. Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Some rotations have 2 setters, while some have only 1. 69.67.144.105 (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I would like to edit the grammar and spelling in this.Sarahelizabethliptay (talk) 14:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't the variation of volleyball be "beach ball volleyball" instead of "beach volleyball"? 2605:E000:9FC0:5A:D34:8BF6:1974:4023 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I notice that volley ball teams always have one player with a different uniform than the the other players. I do not know of any logical reason, and cannot find any rule in your article that explains this.

69.137.176.8 (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The player with a different color jersey is the libero - see the section under "Rules of the Game" 167.7.17.3 (talk) 20:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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• net foul: touching the net during play;
• foot fault: the foot crosses over the boundary line when serving.

The ball must be played with anything above the waist to continue to be in play, as long as the ball does not rest on the body for a long period of time, and anything intentionally played below the waist results in a dead ball and the end of play.

JordanHarakal (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)^[1]