Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obiwon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obiwon

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Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 00:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Given the examples of coverage on the article's talk page, what makes you so sure that the subject does not meet either of those guidelines? --Michig (talk) 17:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only two there that meet RS, but that should be enough. Walter Görlitz (talk)

Keep: This article meets WP:GNG. The sources cited are independent of the subject. This article also meets the eighth criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. The artist in question was nominated for the The Headies, a notable award in Nigeria. Lastly, according to the criteria for musicians and ensembles, "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:". versace1608 (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for a main award would meet criteria but a minor award, which is not listed in the article so I don't know how to find the information, is not. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Headies award is not a "minor award". It is the biggest music award in Nigeria. If Nigeria was the United States, the Headies would be the Grammys. The editor (or editors) who wrote this article freelinked the award's 2007 article, and not the award's main page. I freelinked it in my last post to illustrate my point. Either way, the fact the the artist got nominated for his country's biggest music award is enough for his article to pass WP:MUSICBIO. versace1608 (talk) 04:09, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the case is settled. The artist actually won the "Best Vocal Male Performance" award at the award's 2007 ceremony. Here's a citation to proof that:[1]. versace1608 (talk) 04:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Best Vocal Male Performance" is a major award at the minor ceremony of "The Headies". Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I wonder why Walter Görlitz is bent on proving that the article does not meet Wikipedia standard. Saying that Obiwon does not meet Wikipedia standard is simply saying that no Nigerian indigenous musician can ever meet Wikipedia standard for now. I would have included more reliable sources to buttress my argument but I believe the points Versace raised is sufficient to make the article stay. I am pretty surprised why it should even be nominated for deletion in the first place because there should not even be a discussion about it! Darreg (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not bent on proving that the article does not meet Wikipedia standards. I am simply commenting that The Headies are not major awards. The award itself confirms notability. Please refrain from commenting on editors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I bet you expect an african award to be recognised and accepted by the international community (non africans) first before it would be categorized as being Major in Nigeria, smh4u...and am sorry for misunderstanding your previous position on the Obiwon's article i was carried away by ur previous persistence...and please am not gonna read, reply or comment on this discussion page anymore so any further reply would never be seen by me...i know you have quite a number of user rights on Wikipedia, and might decide to tag me for a ban for speaking my mind and replying you for the second time, but guess what? i care not!...remain blessed bro! *exits discussion page forever* — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darreg (talk • contribs) 20:09, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong on all fronts. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Darreg: You need to apologize to Walter Gorlitz. Wikipedia is not the place for personal attacks. Walter Gorlitz is entitled to his opinion just like we are. I understand what you're saying, but Gorlitz was only voicing his opinion. I don't know the reason why he thinks the Headies is not a major award. I know for a fact that an accolade that awards outstanding achievements in Nigeria and Africa is major. The Headies may not be an "international award" in terms of awarding other acts outside of Africa, but it is certainly a continental award. In my opinion, the biggest music award in every country is a major award and a huge deal. People like Gorlitz may not see it like that. versace1608 (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problems with accepting that it's the most important music industry award in Nigeria and that winning such a prominent award qualifies as notability. Don't misunderstand that. I agree with your assessment that on the scale of international music, winning a Nigerian music award doesn't rank with other awards. I hope that clarifies my position. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz, the word 'notability' is relative. And the word 'international' is relative as well. You are basing your argument on personal sentiments, rather than logic or even Wikipedia standards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The subject of the article is notable enough and it doesn't meet Wikipedia's deletion policy. It shouldn't have been considered for deletion in the first place. @versace1608, please always try to tag music talk pages you come across with their related Wikiprojects, so that the project members can be aware when issues like this come up and they can also assess the importance and quality of such articles. Darreg, please calm down :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Jamie Tubers: I will try to do that. I stumbled upon this this article while going through Stanleytux's contributions. If it wasn't for him editing this article, I wouldn't have come across it. I'm not really familiar with the subject. versace1608 (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay..... btw, I see @Darreg's point anyway. I didn't see anywhere in Wiki's policy that Wikipedia is a 'western affair'. Out of the various articles I've come across on Wikipedia, I've heard of maybe just 5% and I don't even understand why many should be on Wikipedia as I've never heard of the awards they won or know exactly what they are notable for. It doesn't mean I should nominate them for deletion. lol. that's the reason guidelines and criteria exist lol.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Given the detailed nature of this article, I believe the proposal for deletion is baseless and misguided Sidewinder message me! 15:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Actually the article is not detailed with references and so stating that the proposal is baseless is in itself baseless. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:34, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment - Relisting this because some of the keep !votes above are not guideline- or policy- based. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets both WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG per the sources already in the article. Jinkinson talk to me 01:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.