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Demographics

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The numbers don't quite seem to match those in the Salar article or on the Chinese version of the Salar language page. Also, is there such an even divide between Salars who speak Salar and those who speak Chinese, with no overlap? That seems odd.

—Firespeaker 21:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Salar language template

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

If you are a native speaker of Salar then you can help translate this template into your own language:


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--Amazonien (talk) 02:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Arabic script

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Table of salar arabic script Nizrenlyi (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Salar pinyin based romanization

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http://www.sino-platonic.org/abstracts/spp043_salar.html

Nizrenlyi (talk) 03:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

consonants (initials)

PinyinIPAEnglish approximationExplanation
b[p]spitunaspirated p, as in spit
p[pʰ]paystrongly aspirated p, as in pit
m[m]mayas in English mummy
f[f]fairas in English fun
d[t]stopunaspirated t, as in stop
t[tʰ]takestrongly aspirated t, as in top
n[n]nayas in English nit
l[l]layas in English love
l/ð/thoseas in English the
g[k]skillunaspirated k, as in skill
g/ɣ/no equivalent in english"thicker and deeper" version of g
k[kʰ]kaystrongly aspirated k, as in kill
h[x]lochroughly like the Scots ch. English h as in hay or hot is an acceptable approximation.
j[tɕ]hatchNo equivalent in English. Like q, but unaspirated. Not the s in Asia, despite the common English pronunciation of "Beijing". The sequence "ji" word-initially is the same as the Japanese pronunciation of じ(ジ) ji.
q[tɕʰ]cheekNo equivalent in English. Like cheek, with the lips spread wide with ee. Curl the tip of the tongue downwards to stick it at the back of the teeth and strongly aspirate. The sequence "qi" word-initially is the same as the Japanese pronunciation of ち(チ) chi.
x[ɕ]sheNo equivalent in English. Like she, with the lips spread and the tip of your tongue curled downwards and stuck to the back of teeth when you say ee. The sequence "xi" is the same as the Japanese pronunciation of し(シ) shi.
zh[tʂ]junkRather like ch (a sound between choke, joke, true, and drew, tongue tip curled more upwards). Voiced in a toneless syllable.
ch[tʂʰ]churchas in chin, but with the tongue curled upwards; very similar to nurture in American English, but strongly aspirated.
sh[ʂ]shirtas in shoe, but with the tongue curled upwards; very similar to marsh in American English
r[ʐ], [ɻ]raySimilar to the English z in azure and r in reduce, but with the tongue curled upwards, like a cross between English "r" and French "j". In Cyrillised Chinese the sound is rendered with the letter "ж".
z[ts]readsunaspirated c, similar to something between suds and cats; as in suds in a toneless syllable
c[tsʰ]hatslike the English ts in cats, but strongly aspirated, very similar to the Czech and Polish c.
s[s]sayas in sun
y[j], [ɥ]yeaas in yes. Before a u, pronounce it with rounded lips.*
w[w]wayas in water.*
v[v]vitaminas in very.

vowels (finals)

PinyinIPAForm with zero initialExplanation
a[ɑ]aas in "father"
o[ɔ](n/a)Approximately as in "office" in British accent; the lips are much more rounded.
e[ɯ̯ʌ], [ə]ea diphthong consisting first of a back, unrounded semivowel (which can be formed by first pronouncing "w" and then spreading the lips without changing the position of the tongue) followed by a vowel similar to English "duh". Many unstressed syllables in Chinese use the schwa [ə] (idea), and this is also written as e.
i[i]yilike English bee.
u[u]wulike English "oo"
ai[aɪ̯]ailike English "eye", but a bit lighter
ei[eɪ̯]eias in "hey"
ui[u̯eɪ̯]weias u + ei;
ao[ɑʊ̯]aoapproximately as in "cow"; the a is much more audible than the o
iu[i̯ɤʊ̯]youas i + ou
ie[i̯ɛ]yeas i + ê; but is very short; e (pronounced like ê) is pronounced longer and carries the main stress (similar to the initial sound ye in yet)
an[an]anas in "ban" in British English (a more open fronted a)
en[ən]enas in "taken"
in[in]yinas i + n
un[yn]yunas ü + n;
ang[ɑŋ]angas in German Angst (starts with the vowel sound in father and ends in the velar nasal; like song in some dialects of American English)
eng[əŋ]englike e in en above but with ng added to it at the back
ing[iŋ]yingas i + ng
ong[ʊŋ], [u̯əŋ]wengstarts with the vowel sound in book and ends with the velar nasal sound in sing; as u + eng in zero initial.

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PinyinIPAForm with zero initialExplanation
-i[ɨ](n/a)-i is a buzzed continuation of the consonant following z-, c-, s-, zh-, ch-, sh- or r-.

(In all other cases, -i has the sound of bee; this is listed below.)

a[ɑ]aas in "father"
e[ɯ̯ʌ], [ə]ea diphthong consisting first of a back, unrounded semivowel (which can be formed by first pronouncing "w" and then spreading the lips without changing the position of the tongue) followed by a vowel similar to English "duh". Many unstressed syllables in Chinese use the schwa [ə] (idea), and this is also written as e.
ai[aɪ̯]ailike English "eye", but a bit lighter
ei[eɪ̯]eias in "hey"
ao[ɑʊ̯]aoapproximately as in "cow"; the a is much more audible than the o
ou[ɤʊ̯]ouas in "so"
an[an]anas in "ban" in British English (a more open fronted a)
en[ən]enas in "taken"
ang[ɑŋ]angas in German Angst (starts with the vowel sound in father and ends in the velar nasal; like song in some dialects of American English)
eng[əŋ]englike e in en above but with ng added to it at the back
er[ɑɻ]ersimilar to the sound in "bar" in American English
Finals beginning with i- (y-)
i[i]yilike English bee.
ia[i̯ɑ]yaas i + a; like English "yard"
ie[i̯ɛ]yeas i + ê; but is very short; e (pronounced like ê) is pronounced longer and carries the main stress (similar to the initial sound ye in yet)
iao[i̯ɑʊ̯]yaoas i + ao
iu[i̯ɤʊ̯]youas i + ou
ian[i̯ɛn]yanas i + ê + n; like English yen
in[in]yinas i + n
iang[i̯ɑŋ]yangas i + ang
ing[iŋ]yingas i + ng
Finals beginning with u- (w-)
u[u]wulike English "oo"
ua[u̯ɑ]waas u + a
uo, o[u̯ɔ]woas u + o where the o (compare with the o interjection) is pronounced shorter and lighter (spelled as o after b, p, m or f).
uai[u̯aɪ̯]waias u + ai like as in why
ui[u̯eɪ̯]weias u + ei;
uan[u̯an]wanas u + an;
un[u̯ən]wenas u + en; like the on in the English won;
uang[u̯ɑŋ]wangas u + ang;
ong[ʊŋ], [u̯əŋ]wengstarts with the vowel sound in book and ends with the velar nasal sound in sing; as u + eng in zero initial.
Finals beginning with ü- (yu-)
u, ü[y] ⓘyuas in German "über" or French "lune" (To pronounce this sound, say "ee" with rounded lips)
ue, üe[y̯œ]yueas ü + ê; the ü is short and light
uan[y̯ɛn]yuanas ü + ê + n;
un[yn]yunas ü + n;
iong[i̯ʊŋ]yongas i + ong
Interjections
ê[ɛ](n/a)as in "bet".
o[ɔ](n/a)Approximately as in "office" in British accent; the lips are much more rounded.
io[i̯ɔ]yoas i + plain continental[clarification needed] "o".

Salar language sources

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

[1]

http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=piS96h8n8g&sig=MQNlt9Dh-AVbteW37eDBIZI-4ZY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MA2GUMukNObe0QHutYA4&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[2]

http://books.google.com/books?id=F2SRqDzB50wC&pg=PA1109&lpg=PA1109&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=SPnuDbxHW6&sig=CFU07TBa1CkA9QeLcOj7LSoU-cY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dg2GUPPfG6mB0QGis4HwCg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[3]

http://books.google.com/books?id=H55NjkRtrpoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=1c-bWrwoky&sig=Byrbavv1trrUcRd7uZPmvlJuutA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iA2GUJu1FKKS0QHlq4GYDA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[4]

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtW6cox7CIUC&pg=PA279&lpg=PA279&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=CssnYI1T2j&sig=ktOEphiJdjFcav3zcRdFylje1lk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tw2GUOqKK6aR0QGJv4CYDw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[5]

http://books.google.com/books?id=wKoHAQAAMAAJ&q=salars+oghuz&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=6hEioafjJr&sig=ouINLpAQj62vkdelLJj8eI1XZDo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1A2GUNusG-bp0gHZhIGgAQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ

[6]

http://books.google.com/books?id=xGZedef70zAC&pg=PA665&lpg=PA665&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=A7_6tNgE2l&sig=QdOqj-C32mYOq_yzFZt-VDglbC8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5w2GUIPIBOLs0gHbqIG4CA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[7]

http://books.google.com/books?id=IOM8qF34s4YC&pg=PA297&lpg=PA297&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=mVRxEpI92X&sig=h6h942kgn-PBikOT7RnhaTpo3_A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5w2GUIPIBOLs0gHbqIG4CA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[8]

http://books.google.com/books?id=dk12I01qTPUC&pg=PA479&lpg=PA479&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=WDcwPFabwy&sig=6qCOPs6kvI1tg7M8Y4LA42lZDoE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5w2GUIPIBOLs0gHbqIG4CA&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[9]

http://books.google.com/books?id=6YWAERgYmFgC&pg=PR11&lpg=PR11&dq=salars+oghuz&source=bl&ots=3hYbj8-3SS&sig=kKkyTMvjLahTNFAgasmUXsViugc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5w2GUIPIBOLs0gHbqIG4CA&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=salars%20oghuz&f=false

[10]

http://books.google.com/books?id=U1009DRu_vMC&pg=PA400&lpg=PA400&dq=salar+oghuz&source=bl&ots=ClxK-0Up2b&sig=tw4zLYuhrILFbkk13YlFPkvioiI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mA6GULbeMIXN0AGrkYEY&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=salar%20oghuz&f=false

[11]

http://books.google.com/books?id=wHlCi_yws4YC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=salar+oghuz&source=bl&ots=zcYA-sibC_&sig=FgrOO6ml9oTYQkBz_Xs5LtaE1aY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EA-GUP61G6bu0gGNnYGgAQ&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=salar%20oghuz&f=false

[12]

http://books.google.com/books?id=vm8hAQAAMAAJ&q=salar+oghuz&dq=salar+oghuz&source=bl&ots=Tzt1W-Wlve&sig=Ut_sLhsuLtUb6_0W-h78pc-aGV8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lw-GUJjCBs6x0QHssoGoAw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw

[13]

http://books.google.com/books?id=H55NjkRtrpoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=salar+oghuz&source=bl&ots=1c-bWrwsnr&sig=WT2U58H1pPNUMecSrgZiGMY_iQ0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lw-GUJjCBs6x0QHssoGoAw&ved=0CF0Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=salar%20oghuz&f=false

[14]

http://books.google.com/books?id=cgNQdljvk70C&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=salar+oghuz&source=bl&ots=DCXu_gRpm1&sig=DHYwAlfcEka8ztNL_rtmho-B7Yw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Lw-GUJjCBs6x0QHssoGoAw&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=salar%20oghuz&f=false

Purblio (talk) 03:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Salar script

Latest comment: 10 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

This source claims that the Chinese government did try to provide the Salar with their own script, but the Salar rejected the script in favor of continuing to use Chinese characters.

[1]

http://books.google.com/books?id=DaLkNE_20a0C&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q&f=false

[2]

http://books.google.com/books?id=DaLkNE_20a0C&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 04:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


According to Omniglot.com, the latin script is the one officially approved by Chinese authorities. See http://www.omniglot.com/writing/salar.htm

Al'Beroya (talk) 21:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

it would have been nice of omniglot to provide the actual arabic letters in unicode form rather than as an image. Nevertheless, thanks for the find. Its imperative to remove the unofficial Turkish based latin alphabet from wikipedia articles, and replace them with the pinyin based and arabic alphabets. Such as in the Xunhua Salar Autonomous County article.Rajmaan (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Salar spoken language vs literary language

The article confuses spoken and literary languages.

In Medieval Europe, people spoke their local languages among themselves such as Italian, French, Castilian, while not writing them down and using them ad literary languages until much later. They wrote in Latin as their literary language.

In the same way, the Salar do not have an alphabet for their own language. They only speak their language orally, and use the Chinese language to write.

[1]

http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/127Traditions842.html

[2]

http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/127Traditions9610.html

[3]

http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/216T5228T11320.html

[4]

http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/42T1565T2822.html

[5]

http://books.google.com/books?id=oWc2I03-UQIC&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false

04:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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