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This says "it leads to the extinction of bird, mammal, and reptile species". Shouldn't it be THE bird mammal and reptile species?
This term stands for several species of birds, reptiles and mammals. To use "the", one would need to clarify which bird, mammal and reptile species went extinct - obviously, it's not referring to all such species. beforeAdapter (talk · contribs) 2022-03-20T17:22Z
Evolution section fails to have the basic information
Somehow this section has become devoid of any taxonomic and evolutionary information, which is of course a disservice to our readers. Last I was reading up on this (several years ago) it was certain that domestic cats evolved from F. lybica, but that information (or even info on any renewed scientific dispute about the matter) is utterly missing. Over at Felinae is a "family tree" chart showing F. catus as a sister taxon of F. silvestris, and neither grouped with F. lybica nor shown as a descendant of either wild cat, and this appears to be a double error. If the literature has markedly changed in the last few years, then we need to cite it and write encyclopedic material that summarizes what it now says. If it hasn't changed and F. lybica is still the canonical ancestor, then we need to say that, in both articles. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 21:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We can add the cladogram shown at African wildcat#Phylogeny, of course with WP:PATT. I think I made this a couple of years ago, need to check. BhagyaMani (talk) 23:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a good idea. I wasn't aware of the nuclear–mitochondrial ancestry split on this; like I say, it's been several years since I read anything reliable on the matter. I just know our article shouldn't have zero information, and it looks like the Felinae article needs more complete information. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It may not be a real discordance. The nuclear data is based on a few specimens (Johnson et al, 2006; Li et al, 2017), while the mitochondrial data in Driscoll et al 2010 had hundreds of samples [Edit: they also had nuclear data (see below)]. The result is difficult to express in a simple phylogenetic tree as there need to be many lybica/domestic cat clades and they remain intermingled (unlike the clear split between dogs and wolves). Similar results with ancient DNA find the same pattern (Ottoni et al 2017; doi:10.1038/s41559-017-0139). — Jts1882 | talk 17:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then what do you propose? Or feel free to change the cladogram as you deem appropriate. BhagyaMani (talk) 17:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not sure what to do. The cladograms from African wildcat#Phylogeny are fine as they just illustrate the results, although perhaps the difference needs a comment.
However, I've wasn't remembering the Driscoll et al (2007) paper properly. They also had STR/microsatellite nuclear data, which shows six clades that correspond to the mitochondrial clades (I-VI: silvestris, cafra, ornata, lybica/catus, bieti, margarita) and showed the domestic cats embedded in lybica. The main differences from the mitochondria data are that bieti is embedded as sister to ornata (Fig 2C), rather than sister to the wildcat (F. silvestris sensu lato), and that the Near Eastern clade IV has internal divisions with European and Asiatic domestic cat clades which together are sister to a mixed lybica/domestic cat clade. If we are to compare nuclear and mitochondrial results perhaps we should use this focuses study with broad sampling rather than the Felidae studies with limited sampling within Felis (Johnson et al, 2006; Li et al, 2017). — Jts1882 | talk 13:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking as a non-specialist, that seems reasonable to me. It would surely be better to present a complex picture that reflects the complete available research than to give an over-simplification. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 17:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Felis
Sand cat
European wildcat
African wildcat
Southern African wildcat
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Near Eastern wildcat
Asiatic wildcat
Chinese mountain cat
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Change the Name of the page to Domestic Cat
"Cat" may refer to any memeber of the feline family. If the page is changed to "Domestic Cat" then it would be easier to identify. 76.64.181.63 (talk) 05:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The hatnote at the top of the article takes care of that. - UtherSRG(talk) 12:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And there are probably others; I didn't look very exhaustively. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 13:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jan 2024 Edit request to include pussy and Tom
Needs mention of the terms "pussy" and "tom" which are the correct terms of gender for the domestic cat according to most veterinary literature. 2600:8804:6F07:F300:C817:162A:D39F:6C14 (talk) 18:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. Looking at this page, I have noticed a peturbingly small ratio of black cats compared to other. They only have 3 images throughout the whole article. As an owner of a black cat myself, I am well aware that black cats are frequently forgotten, being the least likely cat to get adopted at shelters. I humbly request for either myself or someone else to add more photos of black cats. I have one myself if needed. Thank you for your time. MSMno1fan (talk) 10:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article isn't meant to show every single cat coat colour. There's no silver tabby for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While that may be true, black cats make up a large chunk of the population, and the representation they get genuinely feels paltry. MSMno1fan (talk) 11:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't about representation. There's currently no video of a cat walking on a very small surface like a fence. If you have a video of a black cat doing that you can upload it, of course if you have a non-black cat doing that it should be uploaded too. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also if you take a look at the black cat article you will see that the less likely to be adopted thing is just a myth. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An user added "User:CheezDeez ON TOP" to the evolution page - vandalism
Please fix the page (if possible) by removing this text 85.221.130.7 (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This text doesn't appear for me and hasn't been in the recent revisions. I believe you have an issue with your browser cache, do try to reset it. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The hatnote at the top of the article takes care of that. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already done M.Bitton (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]